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re: Why can't we get a compact, 4 cylinder diesel pickup here in the US?
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:52 am to umop_apisdn
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:52 am to umop_apisdn
Get extremely good fuel mileage and great durability with the ability to do some light pulling/hauling.
Diesels do not HAVE to be big ignorant tire roasters
Diesels do not HAVE to be big ignorant tire roasters
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Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Later this year GMC will have to more engines available in the Sierra, 300HP 4cyl Turbo and an Inline 6cyl Diesel. Not sure what trim levels will be required for the 6cyl.
Your right as an economical option it cost to much for the upgrade.
Your right as an economical option it cost to much for the upgrade.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:20 am to HooDooWitch
The diesel will almost certainly be too big, too powerful and too expensive to be an economic option. We are caught in this mindset where the diesel must be the premium option in both performance and price. In reality the engine could be must smaller, cheaper, and less powerful. It would get great fuel mileage and still have fair capability. No american builder has offered that in the us yet.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:23 am to umop_apisdn
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What are you gonna do with a mini diesel pick up? Haul mulch?
I just don't see the need.
Great fuel mileage, hauling power for smaller projects. I have no need for a large pickup. I do a ton of smaller projects though that a compact truck would be perfect.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:24 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Honest question...could an American go to Mexico and buy one to bring back?
You might be able to then never get an inspection tag. I imagine it wouldn't meet emissions standards.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:27 am to WoWyHi
Costs of diesel fuel is up. The costs of maintaining a diesel vs a gasser makes it a lose lose. I used to be all for diesel compact trucks. But with the Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel that costs more to refine and the new emissions regulations, the government has removed the advantages of diesel ownership.
For instance. I have an 03 Jetta TDI (diesel.) Wife has a new Elantra. Jetta gets 48 mpg, wife gets 45 ish. Doesn't matter that I get more mpg, my fuel costs are 10% more initially. Not to mention the maintenence. I have a fuel filter that needs changing more often than a gas motor and parts costs more for a diesel.
Yeah, the Toyota Hilux, Nissan Navarra, Isuzu D-Max, Ford Ranger diesel are all awesome and powerful for being compact. But, all their advantages go out the window in the US market due to emissions and costs of clean refined diesel here.
TL;DR Diesel costs dont make sense anymore
For instance. I have an 03 Jetta TDI (diesel.) Wife has a new Elantra. Jetta gets 48 mpg, wife gets 45 ish. Doesn't matter that I get more mpg, my fuel costs are 10% more initially. Not to mention the maintenence. I have a fuel filter that needs changing more often than a gas motor and parts costs more for a diesel.
Yeah, the Toyota Hilux, Nissan Navarra, Isuzu D-Max, Ford Ranger diesel are all awesome and powerful for being compact. But, all their advantages go out the window in the US market due to emissions and costs of clean refined diesel here.
TL;DR Diesel costs dont make sense anymore
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:30 am to GoAwayImBaitn
The economic argument is because of our shitty government though. If you take that out of the equation, compact diesel trucks are awesome and we should be able to get them here.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:42 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The diesel will almost certainly be too big, too powerful and too expensive to be an economic option. We are caught in this mindset where the diesel must be the premium option in both performance and price. In reality the engine could be must smaller, cheaper, and less powerful. It would get great fuel mileage and still have fair capability. No american builder has offered that in the us yet.
That's my thought as well. American manufacturers didn't need to design and develop a compact diesel truck because market protections afforded them the protection from the auto companies pushing innovation.
Americans would buy the Toyota Hilux (or a true domestic competitor) if it was available, and I refuse to believe it's not available solely because of EPA emission regulations.
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This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:21 am to WoWyHi
The government and the shite regulations have made the bean counters of major manufacturers shy away from diesel production. As it stands, only a small percent of vehicles sold by a manufacturer can be diesel. It's around 10% last I read. Therefore, manufacturers that aren't the big 3 see no sense in tooling up for such small volume of diesel production. It all comes down to money.
I have an old Frontier. I often considered swapping a diesel into it but I figured out it just isn't worth it due to the cost of diesel fuel alone. Yea, the cool factor is priceless. Being able to tow what a full size 1/2 ton truck can while getting in the 30's for mpg would be awesome.
The government doesn't want us driving diesels I'm convinced. Think about the impact it would have on the trucking industry if everyone drove a diesel. There would be competition for diesel fuel and the price of goods could go up across the board due to increased price of diesel considering supply and demand.
I have an old Frontier. I often considered swapping a diesel into it but I figured out it just isn't worth it due to the cost of diesel fuel alone. Yea, the cool factor is priceless. Being able to tow what a full size 1/2 ton truck can while getting in the 30's for mpg would be awesome.
The government doesn't want us driving diesels I'm convinced. Think about the impact it would have on the trucking industry if everyone drove a diesel. There would be competition for diesel fuel and the price of goods could go up across the board due to increased price of diesel considering supply and demand.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:22 am to jpainter6174
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I’d drive a hilux
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:53 am to WoWyHi
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I have no need for a large pickup. I do a ton of smaller projects though that a compact truck would be perfect.
Actually you just described about 90% of the owners of F250s, 2500s, etc... Unless you are hauling heaving stuff or towing heavy dual axle trailers or horse/cattle an F250 with diesel is overkill and it isn't close and I drive one.
I avoid the mud and potential issues of getting stuck because I know the damn thing is heavy. No I am not interested in driving down the highway listening to huge all terrain tires grinding away on the pavement just in case I get in the mud one day. I have a Honda Rubicon for that shite..
Most people I know that have F250s or larger type diesel trucks don't realize they can probably pull their boat with an SUV all day long. I lived overseas for several years and many of the higher performance cars were 2 liter turbo diesels... NOT gas. They hauled arse. A smaller diesel for smaller/lighter trucks would be a very good combination for most truck people.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:55 am to thesoccerfanjax
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Let me rephrase: no one will BUY a compact truck.
Why not? Lots of people used to buy comparatively small Rangers, S-10s, Tacomas, and Frontiers back in the '90s and early '00s.
They could be made slightly bigger (since Americans aren't getting any skinnier) without reaching modern Ranger proportions. Then again, hardly anyone buys regular cab trucks anymore unless they're fleet sales.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:20 pm to just1dawg
I still have a true compact. 98 Nissan. But I think the general American is too big these days for it to be comfortable. Maybe that's why they went away?
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:35 pm to WoWyHi
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Why can't we get a compact, 4 cylinder diesel pickup here in the US?
Chevy Colorado says hi.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 12:58 pm to just1dawg
You’re right they used to. Then they basically stopped so some manufacturers stopped making them.
I do like regular cabs though. Love my regular cab long bed Silverado.
I do like regular cabs though. Love my regular cab long bed Silverado.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 1:19 pm to Barbellthor
Again, that is not a true compact and the diesel is not an economy option
Posted on 1/19/19 at 1:20 pm to Barbellthor
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Why can't we get a compact, 4 cylinder diesel pickup here in the US?
Chevy Colorado says hi.
You are right. I built one through the Chevy website, and it looks like they start at $41k for a crew cab, long box LT before adding any packages.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 1:40 pm to WoWyHi
Just get a Tacoma. I like bigger trucks but if I went smaller I’d go Tacoma for sure.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 2:12 pm to WoWyHi
the US redneck market is already over saturated.
Posted on 1/19/19 at 2:15 pm to NPComb
I want enough truck to pull my boat, a few wet ice chest in the back, load of mulch, some lumber, rakes..... things like that. I dont need a 1/2 ton but I drive one because I couldnt see paying the same price for a mid size as a full size. If I could get into a modern true mini truck I would. I'd love to have a minty Mazda Crew cab.
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