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re: Why aren’t battles from recent wars in our consciousness like past wars?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:26 pm to Kafka
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:26 pm to Kafka
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The interesting thing is how united the country became then, and how divided it would be now in a similar situation. How many Americans would be supporting the other side?
Democrats would join the other side just to oppose Trump
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:33 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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But we haven’t really had a true foe that could really threaten our military since WWII/Chinese at the Chosin Reservoir.
Chosin Reservoir was some serious stuff. The crap the 1st Marines went through at Hagaru-Ri was unreal. Korea is pretty much forgotten unfortunately, but had some some great heroics.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:34 pm to weagle99
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Different type of warfare?
Yes, there are thousands of skirmishes from every war we have fought that aren't recalled. There are few if any major battlest in our endless wars against "terrorism".
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:39 pm to weagle99
Wars became more about politics than battles.
Take Iraq for instance.
Guys fought and died during Fallujah 1 then politics gave it back and lead to an even bigger battle in Fallujah 2
Take Iraq for instance.
Guys fought and died during Fallujah 1 then politics gave it back and lead to an even bigger battle in Fallujah 2
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:44 pm to Kafka
quote:Those people - my friend - are not real Americans
The interesting thing is how united the country became then, and how divided it would be now in a similar situation. How many Americans would be supporting the other side?
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:46 pm to weagle99
Linear warfare and a clear cut enemy is a thing of the past
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:47 pm to weagle99
Warfare is different now. There haven’t been major battles in decades. You compared today to World Wars. There haven’t been any WW in a while.
Its more about events. The comparison to Hitler invading Poland and DDay would be 9/11 and killing Osama.
Its more about events. The comparison to Hitler invading Poland and DDay would be 9/11 and killing Osama.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:52 pm to Kafka
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The interesting thing is how united the country became then, and how divided it would be now in a similar situation. How many Americans would be supporting the other side?
I wouldn’t call it interesting. We saw how divided Americans would be during Vietnam. It’s been done. We know the result.
People think America is divided more than ever today. I hear it more often than I care to. I guess they forgot about the civil war and Vietnam.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:57 pm to weagle99
Battle of Fallujah is fairly well known.
The reason is most battles now have very few casualties (for the US) so they aren’t that impactful to average citizens.
I know of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam but no other major battles
The reason is most battles now have very few casualties (for the US) so they aren’t that impactful to average citizens.
I know of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam but no other major battles
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:01 pm to kciDAtaE
quote:I recently read a book called 1860. One thing the book pointed out was that aside from the great issue of slavery, Americans were really of one mind about the country: that America was exceptional, was destined to be an example for the rest of the world, etc.
People think America is divided more than ever today. I hear it more often than I care to. I guess they forgot about the civil war and Vietnam
Today, there is not one overwhelming issue !ike slavery. But Americans seem to be divided about more basic things, such as American Exceptionalism.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:05 pm to weagle99
1. Post WW2 battles tend to be smaller scale engagements.
2. Post WW2 wars have generally had low public opinion, especially Vietnam.
3. As opposed to 1942, there are now so many forms of entertainment and distractions and things that occupy our attention, that keeping keeping up news of wars is merely a formality, rather than something of serious interest.
2. Post WW2 wars have generally had low public opinion, especially Vietnam.
3. As opposed to 1942, there are now so many forms of entertainment and distractions and things that occupy our attention, that keeping keeping up news of wars is merely a formality, rather than something of serious interest.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:10 pm to weagle99
You listening to some dumb arse guy talk like he knew more than he did and he sucked you in with his ability to sound like he had a clue
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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so no one really cares
I’ll let my friends that we put in the ground know.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:19 pm to weagle99
There really isn’t that many grand conflicts because wars have changed. We’re fighting ideas and groups, not countries and militaries. The only major battle I can think of is Fallujah. Desert Storm was just an asymmetrical battle that was mostly done by air with some ground forces.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:22 pm to RaginSaint43
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Chosin Reservoir was some serious stuff. The crap the 1st Marines went through at Hagaru-Ri was unreal. Korea is pretty much forgotten unfortunately, but had some some great heroics.
“On desperate ground” is a great book about Chosin Reservoir
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:23 pm to Kafka
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recently read a book called 1860. One thing the book pointed out was that aside from the great issue of slavery, Americans were really of one mind about the country: that America was exceptional, was destined to be an example for the rest of the world, etc.
I’d be interested in reading that book. Bc my readings have suggested the great divide in America at that time was more about states rights and not the issue of slavery. Sure slavery was the match that lit the fuse but the economy and expansion of territory was a key factor as well.
And yes, I agree the economy of the south and the resulting expansion would have built on the backs of slavery.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:24 pm to willymeaux
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Desert Storm was just an asymmetrical battle that was mostly done by air with some ground forces.
There were some more balanced engagements like the airfield at Jalibah and Easting 73.
Easting 73 is probably the most notable from a military history standpoint as it is possible that it may be the last true tank battle.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:27 pm to kciDAtaE
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People think America is divided more than ever today. I hear it more often than I care to. I guess they forgot about the civil war and Vietnam.
Well there was just a coup attempt which half the population supports
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:28 pm to Obtuse1
Yeah I do remember watching something on AHC about it. It was basically Abrams vs older soviet tanks.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:43 pm to willymeaux
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It was basically Abrams vs older soviet tanks
Bradleys and M1A1s vs T-55s and T-72s for the most part.
It was the first use of main battle tank thermal sights on the battlefield. Much of the battle was fought with visibility below 100m but the M1A1s ones had a standoff of about 1000m in those conditions.
Speaking of Soviet or Russian tanks this may be the first era ever where the Russians have a better MBT than the US. The T-14 appears incredible but not battlefield tested against main battle tanks.
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