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re: WHO lauds Sweden as a model for countries going forward in the fight against COVID-19

Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:04 pm to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:04 pm to
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In all seriousness, I hope we never fund those bastards again. They're pieces of shite who towed the line for China until it was too late to stop this thing from going global. However, I agree 100% with how Sweden handled this thing. They used common sense and trusted their people instead of choosing to live in fear for 2-3 months straight.
Yep.
Posted by FAP SAM
Member since Sep 2014
3264 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:08 pm to
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They used common sense and trusted their people

Also, do you really trust the average American? And remember, half of the population is below average
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:15 pm to
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They should be praising Taiwan.



Nope, this is clearly a case of white privilege
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11748 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:17 pm to
Is Dr. Mike aware that Sweden has an 11% death rate?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:18 pm to
Then that means we should do the opposite. The heads of that organization should be thrown into the middle of the ocean with a gun in their mouths.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:19 pm to
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Is Dr. Mike aware that Sweden has an 11% death rate?
are you aware that he never said “we laud Sweden as a model”
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:20 pm to
It’s on the first page bruh


LINK
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:22 pm to
My bad. Article in op never mentions it
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:28 pm to
Ok then, Is The New York Post aware that Sweden has an 11% death rate?
Posted by Boston911
Lafayette
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:31 pm to
Sweden has 2300 or so deaths, the US has around 59,000, the US has 33 times the population of Sweden, adjust for population and Sweden would have 81,000 deaths, give or take a few.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78056 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:36 pm to
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Ok then, Is The New York Post aware that Sweden has an 11% death rate?
And?

They also have generated immunity fairly quickly, were never overrun, and, unlike the USA, they are apparently trying not to push this back into respiratory/flu season.

Stay at home spreads them out over time so that we don’t overwhelm hospitals.

Unless we lockdown until a vaccine is available, the same number will happen.

The areas under the curve constitutes the same number of people.

We completely disregarded the entire purpose of flattening the curve so that we could push the coronavirus back into flu season and then actually overwhelm hospitals.

Sweden will come out of this whole situation likely in a better position than any country that shutdown like we did.
Posted by meldawg399
nola
Member since Oct 2008
1177 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:37 pm to
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They used common sense and trusted their people instead of choosing to live in fear for 2-3 months straight.


If Louisiana expected citizens to use common sense and trusts its citizens, we'd have ended up with many more deaths. No one (myself included) took it seriously even when Coach O was doing commercials. Even then, random citizens I'd talk to once I was in lock down mode thought it was a hoax. They didn't take it seriously until JBE started his the virus is racist campaign. The fact that JBE is still governor tells you how stupid LA residents are...and the more educated or those voting in their own self interests are why we have him, not because of his qualifications or leadership over the four prior years.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21712 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:38 pm to
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“I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Ryan told reporters. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”


More than 50% of Sweden is currently working at home. Traffic volume is down 70%, high schools and universities are closed, gatherings of more than 50 people are banned, restaurants/bars have capacity restrictions, etc.

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He said the country also ramped up testing and had adequate capacity in hospitals to handle any outbreaks.


Sweden is running less test per 100,000 than the US but we keep hearing about what a failure testing in the US is

Also, based on Sweden's nCFR of 12%, they are missing a significant number of current infections.

There are obviously trade offs but Sweden is maybe a decent model for what might be possible moving forward.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
76182 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:40 pm to
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The World Health Organization lauded Sweden

They also lauded China a while back. Just saying.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:40 pm to
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Dr. Mike aware that Sweden has an 11% death rate?


Sweden is 80% towards herd immunity. When they get there do you know what that means?
Posted by FAP SAM
Member since Sep 2014
3264 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:40 pm to
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Sweden will come out of this whole situation likely in a better position than any country that shutdown like we did.

This is purely speculation at this point. It may be true, but is entirely too soon to say for certain.

It will definitely be interesting to see the numbers from comparable nations (Denmark, Norway, etc ) after this is all over
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:41 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:42 pm to
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Sweden has 2300 or so deaths, the US has around 59,000, the US has 33 times the population of Sweden, adjust for population and Sweden would have 81,000 deaths, give or take a few.
Since their per-capita flu deaths are about 30% lower than our’s, which are probably factors (density, social, cultural, health), and they’re already over 3 times that annual per capita levels, that’s equivalent to about 116,000 deaths here. And they look to be about 2 weeks behind us.

Another way to look at it, is that they’re per-capita death totals (244 per million) are nearly 5 times the other 2 Nordic countries combined (51 per million).

In addition, while there are many factors that contribute to this and these are only projections, Sweden is projected to have a larger economic contraction this year (7% GDP decrease) than the United States (about a 6% GDP decrease).
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11748 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:44 pm to
It will be interesting to see. It is helpful to have different countries taking different measures to act as independent laboratories for study. Hopefully something practical can be gleaned and instituted in suitable time.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:54 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:44 pm to
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Sweden is likely much healthier, on the median, than almost any other nation on earth.





Y’all need to make up your minds.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78056 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:51 pm to
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It will be interesting to see. It is helpful to have different countries taking different measures to act as independent laboratories for study. Hopefully something practical can be gleaned and instituted in suitable time.
What really bothers me is how people don’t understand that if we don’t start having this virus move through the lower risk populations now, when we have no other major medical risk, we are going to see a situation with this virus compounded by the flu, RSV, other coronaviruses, adenoviruses, etc.

Then, the mess will be out of control.

Hospitals are routinely overrun during respiratory season already.

That is the insanity of quarantining everyone, especially low risk populations.

We are so far behind the eight ball right now, that we likely won’t be able to catch up.

We need people to be out an interacting.

We need controlled spread of this thing in the low risk community.

And we REALLY need to start now.
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