re: WHO lauds Sweden as a model for countries going forward in the fight against COVID-19

I posted this in the stickied thread but it needs to be here too:

I find it hypocritical that Trump would praise Louisiana which has 1,800 deaths and a population of 4.7 and chastise Sweden less than 24 hours later. Sweden has 2,500 deaths and a population of 10 million. They’re doing better than us. The shutdown in those other socialist countries he listed goes well beyond what we do here.

And just to add to the point:

The last 3 days, Louisiana has had 27, 61, and 44 deaths totaling 132. Sweden has had 80, 81, 107 totaling 268. Even today, after all Louisiana has done, it still has a slightly higher mortality rate than Sweden.

Swedes is a lot more compliant than Louisianans would have been though.

I do not believe. Imagine if the mayors or governor would have canceled the St Paddy's parades and then told everyone to social distance and wear masks.

Everyone flipped just at the idea of canceling the parade. I do think the measures went too far, but I don't think Louisiana would voluntarily be at the levels of social distancing we are now without the government stepping in and forcing businesses to make their employees telecommute or shutting down bars/restaurants.

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Sweden has about 21,000 confirmed positives for this. With a population of about 10 million, that rounds out to about .2%

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Well according to the news reports I have read, Sweden thinks they are getting close to herd immunity in Stockholm. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

But your math doesn't work because there are many, many more infected than what is shown in the confirmed cases. At least two different antibody studies put the percent infected in NYC at over 20%. It may not be a stretch to say that Stockholm is getting close. Also, my understanding is that Sweden isn't testing as much. Their number o f "confirmed cases" is artificially low.

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Complete bullshite. No American is going to stay home from the hospital if they are having trouble breathing. And you are aware that there is no treatment for Covid? They can only put you on a vent and 80%-90% of those go on to die anyway.

The US also has the most ICU beds per capita in the world (I wonder what the difference between the US and the rest of the world is?). Sweden literally has a fraction (1/4) of the US ICU per capita capacity.

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I am talking about medical expenses. I thought that was clear when an earlier part of my post mentioned how Swedish citizens would not go into debt do to a hospital stay for the virus.

But alas, the OT has proven a need to spell everything out for the simpletons.

America no universal health care. America pay for medical treatment out of pocket (as opposed to taxes, even though we also pay for some through taxes). Many Americans can not afford massive bill ( example here here here and other info here from the last link...

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Hospitals that accept the grants will have to certify that they won’t try to collect more money than the patient would have otherwise owed if the medical attention had been provided in network

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and that last one is for the insured)

But sure. Let's herd immunity.

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oh wait, are we trusting the WHO again?

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Sweden

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model

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But no pics?

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Swedes is a lot more compliant than Louisianans would have been though.

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I think you're overstating this and understating the health of Louisianians.

Louisianians are in disgusting health relative to Swedes.

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Better off with the gubment taking care of you than making money and incurring debt.

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Clearly, the shutdown won’t put anyone into debt and didn’t cost Americans a dime.

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the shutdown won’t put anyone into debt and didn’t cost Americans a dime.

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Which is the fallacy of that belief. There are a shitload of people who have been put out of work by government and haven't seen a dime of revenue in over a month.

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Show me their infection rate and death rate per capita, as compared to other nations

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Click on Europe from there to compare

They seem to be middle of the pack with regards to tests & deaths per 1M in Europe.

It's certainly still an unknown, but if Sweden is truly closer to herd immunity, then you can assume there cases/deaths will trail off long before the other European countries and they could come out ahead.

But either way, they're not lagging way behind every other country like many would think without draconian they are about the need to lock down.


Only other side note I'd add, not saying the US should or should not have followed the Sweden model, but I'd say you can't in any way compare US to Sweden based on population size, density, and just how much more international the US is.