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re: Who in the hell came up with the concept that 40 hrs per week constitutes full time work

Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by Harry Caray
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:27 pm to
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It's very liberating to buck the system.

I work 9 months a year and less than 40 hours a week and am pretty happy with it

shrubbing?
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13998 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:28 pm to
You don't have to. That's the beauty of the free market.

Sure, you'll make less money, but you won't have to work as much.

Get to a point where your bills are minimal and you won't have to work as much.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7365 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:29 pm to
I can live with 40 hours although less would be nice.

I just wish companies would more widely adopt a more employee friendly schedule. 4 ten hour shifts, 3 thirteen hour shifts. I consider the days I work a relative loss to do things that I would be doing otherwise. So I just want more days off.
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:29 pm to
Haven't read through the thread, but this is where the Western European countries get it right. They work to live rather than living to work.

Italians average 960 hours per year.
The French average 1,007 hours per year.
Germans average 1,053 hours per year.
Spaniards average 1,089 hours per year.

The US? 1,353 hours per year.

A lot of studies show that shorter work weeks make the workforce more productive.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:31 pm to
I wonder this too. It’s amazing how much more efficient we are with getting things done since we have email, fast programs, network databases vs. hard copies, etc.

Technology has improved so much yet we still work the same amount of hours. Where is the time saved going? I suppose that’s what keeps the economy growing, and we get it back in our investments?

I’m posting at work fwiw
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:32 pm to
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A lot of studies show that shorter work weeks make the workforce more productive


I believe it, but I think all the countries you’ve mentioned except Germany have gone through an economic crisis lately
Posted by Jackalope
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:33 pm to
Last company I worked for began to track everything each employee did, and monitored their output. On average, they were doing a solid 3.5 hours of work.

Then we tested unlimited PTO and flexible hours/work from home. We would set goals for both groups. The new system worked wonders. Ended up transitioning everyone to flexible work.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:34 pm to
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Haven't read through the thread, but this is where the Western European countries get it right. They work to live rather than living to work.

Italians average 960 hours per year.
The French average 1,007 hours per year.
Germans average 1,053 hours per year.
Spaniards average 1,089 hours per year.

The US? 1,353 hours per year.



Well, Germany is really the only financially secure of those.

However a shorter workweek is on the horizon for everyone. Technology will make it happen.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:34 pm to
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u don't have to. That's the beauty of the free market.

Sure, you'll make less money, but you won't have to work as much.

Get to a point where your bills are minimal and you won't have to work as much.


True, but you’ll have to take a much less lucrative job. Hardly any company will let a salaried employee choose the amount of hours and pay they work. They just tell you to work 40 hours a week for $X,XXX,XXX a year.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:35 pm to
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A lot of studies show that shorter work weeks make the workforce more productive.


Yet, ironically, you're leaving off of your list the most productive countries in the world.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:39 pm to
No one ever has ever reached the end of their life wishing they had spent more time away from their family working. If you are working more than 40 hours a week re-evaluate your life, nothing you are doing is more important than time with you family. I grew up with a dad that was driven, and totally committed to his job, we knew he was doing it for our family, but we would have rather had less things and more of him.
Posted by 337Tigah
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:40 pm to
I had this epiphany at 19 years old.
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:40 pm to
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Yet, ironically, you're leaving off of your list the most productive countries in the world.



Time article on production of workers

RANK COUNTRY GDP PER HOUR WORKED EMPLOYED POPULATION GDP (USD) AVERAGE WORK WEEK (HRS)
1 Luxembourg $ 93.4 405,600 $57b 29
2 Ireland $ 87.3 1,989,400 $302b 33.5
3 Norway $ 81.3 2,753,000 $318b 27.3
4 Belgium $ 69.7 4,601,200 $498b 29.8
5 United States $ 68.3 151,000,000 $18,037b 33.6
6 Denmark $ 67.6 2,829,000 $270b 27.2
7 France $ 65.6 27,523,000 $2,648b 28.2
8 Germany $ 65.5 43,057,000 $3,857b 26.3
9 Netherlands $ 65.4 8,792,000 $818b 27.4
10 Switzerland $ 64.2 4,962,600 $506b 30.6
11 Austria $ 60.2 4,290,700 $415b 30.9
12 Sweden $ 59.1 4,809,700 $458b 31
13 Finland $ 54.8 2,497,400 $225b 31.6
14 Australia $ 54.6 11,860,000 $1,101b 32.7
15 United Kingdom $ 52.1 31,293,000 $2,701b 31.9
16 Italy $ 51.9 24,476,100 $2,191b 33.1
17 Spain $ 51 18,490,800 $1,594b 32.5
18 Canada $ 50.9 18,285,700 $1,589b 32.8
19 Iceland $ 45.1 183,700 $16b 36.1
20 Japan $ 41.9 65,801,200 $4,741b 33.1
21 New Zealand $ 40.9 2,360,600 $170b 33.8
22 Slovenia $ 40.4 941,500 $64b 32.5
23 Israel $ 40.3 3,947,100 $300b 36.3
24 Slovak Republic $ 39.7 2,267,100 $158b 33.7
25 Czech Republic $ 38 5,179,700 $346b 33.8
26 Portugal $ 35.4 4,575,800 $303b 35.9
27 Greece $ 35.3 4,019,800 $288b 39.1
28 Hungary $ 33.5 4,327,500 $254b 33.6
29 Lithuania $ 32.6 1,334,700 $81b 35.8
30 Korea $ 31.9 25,936,300 $1,749b 40.7
31 Estonia $ 31.6 622,900 $36b 35.6
32 Latvia $ 28.3 887,900 $48b 36.7
33 Chile $ 25.9 7,802,200 $402b 38.2
34 Russia $ 25.1 72,187,700 $3,580b 38
35 Mexico $ 20.3 50,262,900 $2,188b 41.2
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:40 pm to
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True, but you’ll have to take a much less lucrative job.


It's a viable option.
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:44 pm to
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4 ten hour shifts


This, Monday-Thursday, is what i would love.. 10 hour days aren’t too bad, and having that extra day for the weekend would be awesome.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16419 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:44 pm to
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United States $ 68.3 151,000,000 $18,037b 33.6


33.6 average hours worked per week. In my world, this seems like a damn lie to me. I would gladly do 33.6 hours.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:46 pm to
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wonder this too. It’s amazing how much more efficient we are with getting things done since we have email, fast programs, network databases vs. hard copies, etc.


quote:

Technology has improved so much yet we still work the same amount of hours. Where is the time saved going? I suppose that’s what keeps the economy growing, and we get it back in our investments?


Unfortunately advancements in technology instead of letting us do the things we were doing in less time, just created more things that can be done that were added to what we were already doing.

Unfortun
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
22489 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:48 pm to
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Who in the hell came up with the concept that 40 hrs per week constitutes full time work


Ford Motor Company in 1914...scaled back the standard work week from 48 hours to 40.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
20959 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:51 pm to
I don't care about the 40 hours. It's just the 8 hour days. I used to work 4 10s. It was awesome having every Fri, Sat, and Sun off. I thought about going back to school for something in the medical field. Working 3 14 hour shifts and being off 4 days sounds pretty good.
Posted by Blob Fish
Member since Mar 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:54 pm to
I meant most productive overall. I understood that you meant productivity per hour. The countries that produce the most overall work more hours. Our GDP is 6x Germany's, and our country is headed in a much better direction than theirs overall (even ignoring their immigration problems). The vast majority of medical and technological innovations are not being produced in Ireland, either.

I honestly don't understand the point of this thread. Nothing is preventing a shorter workweek, and if organizations were able to be successful and achieve their goals while working fewer hours, they'd do it (and do - some doctors work 4-day work weeks to continue my doctor example). Companies would love to fill their positions with robots and have employees work zero hours.

The workweek is regulated less by tradition and more by necessity. The real workweek is 7 days per week 365 days per year.

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