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re: Who here doesn’t believe in vaccinating your children?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:23 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:23 pm to Tigerbait357
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Its not ignorant at all. Not to say all foreigners are not vaccinated but many are coming from countries/poor areas without access to proper health care and they are bringing in all kinds of stuff.
Tens of thousands of Americans travel internationally every day. Tens of thousands of non-Americans travel here, legally, every day. The exposure to disease strains from outside of the U.S. herd happens all day, every day.
Why are you so focused on "illegals infiltrating our country?" That's just stupid.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 3:26 pm
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:25 pm to TBoy
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Tens of thousands of Americans travel internationally every day. The exposure to disease strains from outside of the U.S. herd happen all day, every day.
Why are you so focused on "illegals infiltrating our country?" That's just stupid.
I wasn't the one who Brought up the illegals/immigrants but even more reason to get vaccinations though
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:30 pm to ElectricWizard0
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It needs to be mandatory. If you’re not vaccinating your kids you’re putting other people’s children at risk, which should be a crime. Anti vaxers are fricking idiots.
I get real weird about this both ways.
1) you should vaccinate your children. I see kids in my practice. I tell parents this
2) the government shouldn't make medical decisions for you.
3) I will fire you as a patient if you don't vaccinate your kids.
I'm all for both vaccination and also, in this case (I suppose most), personal liberty. But I'm not putting up with the shite you bring through the door if you want to disagree with something as settled as vaccination and can't have you exposing other people in my waiting room.
I need to write a strongly worded letter to anti-vaccine parents. But they're fairly rare in my experience. Vaccine-hesitant folks are usually convinced within about two sentences. True anti-vaccine folks are unconvincable and it also has become evident very quickly in our conversations.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:37 pm to ElectricWizard0
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It needs to be mandatory. If you’re not vaccinating your kids you’re putting other people’s children at risk, which should be a crime. Anti vaxers are fricking idiots.
This whole thing with the anti-vaccination crowd began, I think, with that completely bogus "study" by that fraudulent quack Andrew Wakefield who claimed that vaccinations increased the chances of autism. The "study" has long since been discredited but unfortunately, there are a lot of people who still buy into it. Thanks to people like Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy, childhood diseases have made a big comeback.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:38 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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That said, Vaccinating your children and getting the flu shot is comparing apples to oranges
You're absolutely right.
Before the measles vaccine, about 500 Americans a year would die from it.
The CDC says so.
The flu kills over 12,000 Americans per year.
The CDC again with their pesky facts.
It's no contest, really.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:38 pm to Hopeful Doc
Remember when you got Polio as a kid? Of course not your Parents were smart enough to have you vaccinated
And if you don't vaccinate your kids you're a fricking idiot, with all due respect
And if you don't vaccinate your kids you're a fricking idiot, with all due respect
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:39 pm to ElectricWizard0
I agree. Needs to be mandated by law.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:39 pm to TigerstuckinMS
As I said in my first post...
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:39 pm to TigersFan64
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The "study" has long since been discredited
Understatement. It was entirely withdrawn from publication, and the author had his license removed because he intentionally lied about data and manipulated it.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:40 pm to ElectricWizard0
The problem is these parents can get a release from a school easily and it not be made public. I would fricking kill someone if they gave my kid a midevil disease over some internet shite.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:41 pm to ElectricWizard0
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Anti vaxers are fricking idiots.
Are antivaxxers up 30% too?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:52 pm to Hopeful Doc
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the author had his license removed because he intentionally lied about data and manipulated it.
Imho, Wakefield should have served time in prison for the harm that he did, not only lose his medical license.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:53 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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You're absolutely right.
Before the measles vaccine, about 500 Americans a year would die from it.
The CDC says so.
The flu kills over 12,000 Americans per year.
The CDC again with their pesky facts.
It's no contest, really.
OK, let me rephrase that to what I initially intended. People who don't get flu shots because they feel they have a high immune system should not be compared with people who don't get their kids vaccinated because they think it causes autism.
Not that either is making a good decision. However the latter option is going to destroy our herd immunity. While it is theoretically possible to create herd immunity with the flu, it would be extremely difficult
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:59 pm to ElectricWizard0
My sister.
No GMO, no gluten, everything is bad for you and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Red Bull? Bad!
Bang cause no sugar? Bad!
Coffee black? BAD cause pesticides!
Water? Bad cause chemicals in plastic bottles.
It’s exhausting having a conversation about food or drink.
I don’t dare to get into vaccines.
No GMO, no gluten, everything is bad for you and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Red Bull? Bad!
Bang cause no sugar? Bad!
Coffee black? BAD cause pesticides!
Water? Bad cause chemicals in plastic bottles.
It’s exhausting having a conversation about food or drink.
I don’t dare to get into vaccines.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:02 pm to Pettifogger
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I believe in explaining the risks of vaccines to your kids and letting them decide. Obviously you have to wait until they're a couple of years old, but why not let them decide what to do with their own bodies? This year our 4 year old opted in and our 6 year old declined. We respect their autonomy.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:07 pm to ElectricWizard0
this thread again 
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:12 pm to ElectricWizard0
I love the folks that talk about the money being made on vaccines as evidence that it is unnecessary or dangerous.
"Look at the profit these big pharma companies are turning! Because we are sheep and vaccinate everyone blindly!"
Okay, because the two are mutually exclusive. If vaccinations are so important, companies wouldn't be making money off them.
"Look at the profit these big pharma companies are turning! Because we are sheep and vaccinate everyone blindly!"
Okay, because the two are mutually exclusive. If vaccinations are so important, companies wouldn't be making money off them.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:18 pm to gumbo2176
quote:Iron lungs are quite portable and fashionable these days. Plus, it'll protect you from cop bullets. Win/win
Think about a kid lying in an iron lung due to polio====if you can even find one that is in operation.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:34 pm to Hopeful Doc
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2) the government shouldn't make medical decisions for you.
I agree with this, but they already tell you what you can and can’t put in your bodies (i.e. drugs) why not enforce something that ensures a healthy population?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 4:38 pm to Teufelhunden
Anti vaxxers are idiots, but chem trails are real...
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