re: When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?

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I thought the saying has always been "Seen but not heard" when it came to children.

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People got soft. My great grandfather would beat your arse for speaking to him first.

I lived in Italy for a couple years (before I had kids) and the little town I lived in let the kids run around while the adults hung out around the piazza. The kids played and it didn't bother anyone. Some kids would hit the pavement and the nearest adult would check on them until a parent showed up. Everybody looked out for everybody else. I miss that feeling and wish I could have raised my kids in an environment like that. Its pretty awesome.

That place was the first and only time in my life that I felt like I was part of a "community"

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So what if a four year-old is being noisy in a restaurant, a four-year-old shouldn’t be able to sit quietly at a table for an hour, why do we expect that now?

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Kids have always been the same. It’s the parents and specifically their lack of parenting that’s changed over the years. Do society a favor and learn to discipline your children.

If you can’t manage that then leave your “little angel” at home.

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And the people that want to complain about noisy, kids are also the first ones to complain about kids looking at screens too much.

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Parent here. Responsible, good parents who raise their kids properly can keep the kids noise level acceptable without handing the kids electronic mind erasers. It involves good rules and even enforcement of those rules. Mom and dad need to pay attention at all times, and not just drink and laugh with their friends, while the kids are running amok, ruining others dining experiences .

Grandma and grandpa have to be on board with what is acceptable behavior too. My mother in law and FIL would have been on our kids asses before we could correct them. That is precisely what is missing today. BTW our kids turned out great, happy and with great jobs.

We never let our kids scream in a restaurant and run under other peoples tables playing chase. I've seen much more of that in the past decade. When you are going out to dinner, people need to understand that their kids can ruin another group of diners night out. I recently saw one brat throwing food on the floor and stomping it into the carpet. The parents were too busy having fun to care.

To not correct your kids wild behavior is selfish and inconsiderate of others who are paying good money for a nice evening.

Good parenting has been done for centuries, but it is apparently a dead art. Really dead.

Just so you know, iPads were never used until recently, and it's just plain lazy.

I have recently encountered some kids who are very well behaved and it was a breath of fresh air. Their parents are responsible, and have worked hard, and it shows.

You let your travel ball kids run wild at the Holiday Inn Express while you and the other parents drink a million Mich Ultras by the pool, don’t you?

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Growing up, we (me and my siblings) were taught how to act in public. When adults are talking you don't interrupt, never ask for anything in front of other people and when you are told no, it means no and you better not ask again. And if you didn't do it when you got to the car or home

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You see this is the confusion that some of you have. Your parents and grandparents did this to you because they didn’t want you to bother them. You may not realize it, but I bet you could do whatever the frick you want as long as you weren’t annoying your parents.

I got talked to going on the floating Walmart ( carnival) kids( probably 12/13) suburban’s were knocking on the doors every night at 2am , jumping in line at the buffet, cursing that would make a sailor blush. Worst vacation I’ve ever had,only time I prayed to go back to work

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parents with small children become desensitized and unaware of how loud and obnoxious their kids are. Likely a result of being around them full time. You think Braxton running around out front is OK cause he does that shite in your home constantly. But the rest of us aren’t use to it

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Yeah. For me, it's a middle ground topic. I agree with OP slightly that society has gotten really harsh towards families. Social media is damn near a cesspool the way childfree people act about parents, children, and families.

That being said, they have a slight point at times because parents are just totally oblivious to how much their kids might be bothering others.

Every instance I can think of where kids have been a bother has been when a parent either [a] doesn't notice they're doing something like hanging over the booth at our table or kicking the back of the seat the entire time, or [b] thinks them doing this to us is endearing and cute to us too because the kid is smiling and laughing.

They've learned to tune out everything. Anyone with friends/family with kids who spends time with them can attest to this. Mom just chats right over the noise while you're silently sitting there unable to even focus on what they're saying.

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And the people that want to complain about noisy, kids are also the first ones to complain about kids looking at screens too much.

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This post has to be a troll. The only people you see this ignorant are the folks that are "keeping it real " when the cops show.