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re: What would’ve happened if Britain had surrendered in WWII?
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:36 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:36 am to crazy4lsu
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Despite all the problems in Europe, the continent is much better off than it was during the imperial era. No major conflicts and it's problems are mainly economic.
Part of me wonders what happens if Germany wins the First World War. What that Europe looks like in 1945.
Would they have punished the Allies like they were punished? Would we have seen a New Napoleon rise from the ashes?
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Even with the mass migration issues, that is not necessarily a European problem
Could have gone the other way, with countless European refugees fleeing from German rule, going en masse to foreign lands. You did see it to some extent.
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:00 am to keakar
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does germany get the A-bomb first? and i think the answer to that is yes.
I don't think so, we started the Manhattan project in 1939 and had better scientists and much more resources available. This scenario does not change that.
Does Japan even attack the US in this scenario? I think it's very questionable. Why would Hitler agree to declare war on the US if England isn't resisting and receiving massive help from the US? And without a German declaration of war is Japan foolhardy enough to go it alone? Because if they do we crush them in a few years. In WWII we put more effort into fighting the Germans than the Japanese. If we focused just on Japan then there isn't even a contest, though we'd need some time to build the fleet. Keep in mind that the city of Pittsburgh produced more steel than Germany and Japan combined.
Without England in it Germany has no problem taking the middle-east oil fields which is bad news. Russia probably goes down. It's not a certainty, though. What happens if Russia simply refuses to surrender and fights on in a gorilla war indefinitely?
Without Britain out I don't think there is war between the US and Germany, how would it even be fought?
China becomes interesting. If Russia is crushed does China go communist as the Japanese are forced to leave? Or does Chiang Kai Shek unify China? Either way China likely becomes a major player; and if Hitler has driven that far east then they could be big trouble for him.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 6:15 am to fr33manator
I think that the bottom portion of that meme is a little disingenuous in regards to the size of Germany being bigger than that of the US. We would’ve swamped Germany with our manpower and material regardless of Russian intervention. It would’ve taken longer and been more costly to be sure but we still win that.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:12 am to soccerfüt
Some of y'all in this thread truly don't understand how badly the Russians hate the Germans.
The Russian word for "Germans" tranalates directly as "Idiots"
The Russian word for "Germans" tranalates directly as "Idiots"
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:15 am to VolsOut4Harambe
The US would have liberated England first. England would HQ like it was in reality.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:35 am to VolsOut4Harambe
The German plan for the occupation of the UK is interesting and disturbing to think about.
-Deport most of the able-bodied male population to Germany for forced labor.
-The SS would arrest about 2,800 prominent Brits (ranging from politicians like Churchill to authors like HG Wells).
-Install a puppet government, probably under Mosley
-Liquidation of the Jewish population
-Deport most of the able-bodied male population to Germany for forced labor.
-The SS would arrest about 2,800 prominent Brits (ranging from politicians like Churchill to authors like HG Wells).
-Install a puppet government, probably under Mosley
-Liquidation of the Jewish population
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:37 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Of course t would be different you twit. What a dumb question
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:02 am to VolsOut4Harambe
At that point Hitler wouldn't have to defend two borders and can put all his resources on Russia.
Doubtful the US declares war on Germany (can't say if Japan would have still attacked).
Doubtful the US declares war on Germany (can't say if Japan would have still attacked).
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:16 am to VolsOut4Harambe
I watched Darkest hour last night too.
Great movie. Churchill really had it rough with his entire War Cabinet against him.
I need to look up more about why Halifax was sent to US. I know they sent someone to try and push us into getting into the war, but why him??
Great movie. Churchill really had it rough with his entire War Cabinet against him.
I need to look up more about why Halifax was sent to US. I know they sent someone to try and push us into getting into the war, but why him??
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:34 am to ten Hoor Hall
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Some of y'all in this thread truly don't understand how badly the Russians hate the Germans. The Russian word for "Germans" tranalates directly as "Idiots"
This cannot be stated strongly enough. There is ancient hatred between these peoples going back to the days of the Teutonic Order.
As for this speculation, Britain never surrenders without invasion. I do not think the Royal Navy would ever lose control of the channel, so no invasion. Just a prolonged cold war.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 8:40 am to VolsOut4Harambe
Could have been really bad if the Germans got the Ark of the Covenant back to Berlin.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 9:41 am to Tigris
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What happens if Russia simply refuses to surrender and fights on in a gorilla war indefinitely?
Hitler actually expected and looked forward to this. Nazi ideology was all about struggle. A race that didn't struggle grew stale and weak. He imagined a frontier in the east populated by war veterans and their families, constantly pushing against whatever was left of the Russian hordes.
Not surprisingly, as a boy, Hitler was an avid reader of German writer Karl May, who produced a series of adventure novels set in the American West.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:05 am to VolsOut4Harambe
The right has an interesting fascination with replaying WW2 so Germany either wins or at least doesn’t lose. Very interesting stuff.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:07 am to Quidam65
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Doubtful the US declares war on Germany (can't say if Japan would have still attacked).
Japan definitely still would have attacked
The US didn’t declare war on Germany until Hitler inexplicably declared war on the US first. One of the dumber things he did during the war which is really saying something co side ring how much dumb shite he did.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:38 am to CoastTrashTiger
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Even if Britain had surrendered I think America still is able to invade Europe either through Italy or much a much more difficult route through Spain. Its an interesting topic . Once we got a strong foothold in the Pacific back and basically destroyed the Japs fleet/aircraft carriers their ability to wage any kind of offensive war was gone.
If Britain had surrendered, Hitler would not have declared war on America after Pearl Harbor. And the Americans were not any more fond of the Communists than the Nazis, so I’m not sure if America would go to war with Nazi Germany at least until after they defeated the USSR and the US beat Japan. The only time I think it becomes likely is when the nuclear bomb enters the equation.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:41 am to momentoftruth87
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Hitler was a moron who should have left the USSR alone and waited for them to join their side.
Hitler’s endgame was to destroy the USSR and kill every last Slav. France, Britain, and the US were mere nuisances to Hitler when it came to his overall goals. His focus was always to wipe out the Jews and Communists. You could not talk him out of invading Russia.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:44 am to momentoftruth87
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Again, he's a moron because IF they would've became alies, I think that would've made both much stronger.
Nazis and Communists are natural archenemies. They could have never remained allies for long, plus it was counterproductive to the Nazis goals. Their goals was not to conquer France and Britain. It was always Eastern Europe, it’s just the rest of Western Europe stood in his way of achieving that.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:49 am to Jim Rockford
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If Britain falls, so does the Dutch government in exile, which means Japan can negotiate with Germany for access to the East Indies oil fields. The Pacific war may not take place at all.
I still think Japan would be way too hostile in the Pacific for our likings. It may have been another year or two, but I still think we go to war with Japan regardless.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 10:51 am to fr33manator
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Wouldn’t have happened, if only because the Nazis didn’t have the ability to invade England and would have gotten their asses handed to them if they tried because of the logistical mess it would be.
--Correct, sir.
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They did try. Do you even Battle of Britain?
--Actually, the Germans did not have enough or proper landing craft to invade England. That is one reason, the other being Goerring's collossal ego, that the Nazi's only fought the Battle of Britain in the air. No landing craft.
America, on the other hand, had a SHITE TON of landing craft, but that's another story.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:07 am to OMLandshark
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I still think Japan would be way too hostile in the Pacific for our likings. It may have been another year or two, but I still think we go to war with Japan regardless.
Would we really go to war to protect the colonies of countries that no longer exist? While America bore the brunt of the Pacific war, the British contributed substantial Naval assets. They wouldn't be available under this scenario. And then there's Australia. What would their role be? Would they stand alone, or be forced into some kind of neutral or subservient position for the sake of survival?
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