What would’ve happened if Britain had surrendered in WWII?

American President would be meeting with the Furher.

Was it Patton that said we fought the wrong enemy? Without the western front the Germans could have possibly toppled the soviets before they had a chance to come to full strength. It’s an interesting discussion

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Was it Patton that said we fought the wrong enemy?

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Believe Churchill said after they should not have stopped until they reached Moscow after taking Berlin.

Even if Britain had surrendered I think America still is able to invade Europe either through Italy or much a much more difficult route through Spain. Its an interesting topic . Once we got a strong foothold in the Pacific back and basically destroyed the Japs fleet/aircraft carriers their ability to wage any kind of offensive war was gone.

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American President would be meeting with the Furher.

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Is this kinda what you had in mind?



Furher =/= Führer

Hitler was a moron who should have left the USSR alone and waited for them to join their side.

If that would’ve happened, then parts of Europe would still be glowing in the dark.

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Hitler was a moron

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He certainly wasn’t the most sound military tactician.

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should have left the USSR alone and waited for them to join their side.

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The Third Reich and USSR signed a non-aggression pact in 1939. However, Hitler viewed Bolshevism as the enemy of National Socialism and always wanted the ideology destroyed, the two would have never “joined sides”.

That's what people keep missing. Nazi ideology was founded on Eastern expansion and destruction of Bolshevism. It wasn't debatable. It was going to happen.

ETA although Hitler had a grudging professional admiration for how Stalin ran things.

And interesting alternate strategy in this scenario (are we assuming japan still attacks US?)
Would be to let the Germans wear themselves thin fighting the commies while we are fighting the japs, then attack a depleted Germany once they have defeated the Soviets and Japan taps out.

Because to be perfectly honest, the Soviets did most of the heavy lifting in WW2 against the Germans.

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I think that would've made both much stronger. Good thing it didn't happen.

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In my estimation peace was never possible between the two.

I’m not sure it benefits Germany in a non-wartime situation. Other than Lebensraum, the Nazis valued Soviet held territories due to their natural resources. In this scenario the Reich would have to rely heavily on foriegn trade to supply its needs.

As far as the USSR, it doesn’t matter if Japan or the US wins the war in the east. Both the capitalist United States, and Imperial Japanese, are no friend to the Soviets. At best they’d have a Cold War scenario with the Nazis. At worst they’re facing a two front war against vastly superior opponents, especially if the Nazis have the resources of the US until they capture what they need from Ukraine etc.