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re: What to do when you are officially a multi-millionaire?
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:20 am to jafari rastaman
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:20 am to jafari rastaman
quote:How did you amass that given that last sentence?
Let’s say you are a baw in your mid 40’s. Your brokerage account just recently crested $1,000,000 and your retirement accounts (401k, Roth IRA, etc) recently did the same. Meaning you are officially a multi-millionaire...You haven’t been able to save or invest any money for years, as your wife spends every paycheck
quote:That's your own 25-30 yard line.
$2,000,000 was the goalpost
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:30 am to jafari rastaman
be a good parent and spouse
enjoy your hobbies
travel when you can
entertain at your home with friends/family
build your dream house on the lake
continue with a career you enjoy and even explore passions you put off earlier in life
enjoy your hobbies
travel when you can
entertain at your home with friends/family
build your dream house on the lake
continue with a career you enjoy and even explore passions you put off earlier in life
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:34 am to jafari rastaman
As a person who came from struggling with young children to making more money than an orthopedic surgeon, I can say that whatever point you feel that you theoretically are comfortable with hanging it up, it won't be enough. When you have that amount of assets all you can think about is how to lose those assets, and address it by working harder and making more money.
There is a point where it is no longer worth it, but I find that if I have $1K today I could grow it to $10K tomorrow if I maintain the course.
There is a point where it is no longer worth it, but I find that if I have $1K today I could grow it to $10K tomorrow if I maintain the course.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:44 am to jafari rastaman
Keep working. Your new goal is $5M.
Don’t hire a financial planner. If you figure you can’t live without one, pay me the $30K a year and I’ll click the mouse twice a year for you. Do it yourself.
And get your wife’s spending under control. She can and will spend every nickel you have saved if you allow her to do that.
Congrats on the savings.
Don’t hire a financial planner. If you figure you can’t live without one, pay me the $30K a year and I’ll click the mouse twice a year for you. Do it yourself.
And get your wife’s spending under control. She can and will spend every nickel you have saved if you allow her to do that.
Congrats on the savings.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:48 am to jafari rastaman
Were you invited to the official multi-millionaire ice cream social later this month? If not, sorry to tell you but you aren't truly there yet. If you are, great advice there as well as some great sundaes.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:48 am to jafari rastaman
When we became multi-millionaires we got up at 330 AM and got ready to go to work. That was 15 years ago January and its been the same way since.
I tried early retirement at 44. It was not for me....I was bored out of my mind. From the description of what being a baw is I have been one since I was 23 years old except its UGA instead of LSU. When I "retired" at 44 I added traveling anywhere I wanted to go to the list....had the time. In a year I was bored with traveling....only so much sitting in bars, beer gardens and coffee shops I could take. Only so much fishing (and some hunting) I could do in foreign locations without realizing hunting ducks in Poland is about the same as hunting ducks anywhere other than the food and language. I have a bunch of hobbies but doing any of them excessively, at least for me, becomes very boring. I enjoy working, always have. I enjoy solving problems, interacting with people with similar work experiences and backgrounds. I am getting close to normal retirement age and I am looking forward to it but for different reasons than what I had before....I am looking forward to it because I am starting another small business and this time around I will have the income to be very selective about the projects and customers I work with....can't wait!
I tried early retirement at 44. It was not for me....I was bored out of my mind. From the description of what being a baw is I have been one since I was 23 years old except its UGA instead of LSU. When I "retired" at 44 I added traveling anywhere I wanted to go to the list....had the time. In a year I was bored with traveling....only so much sitting in bars, beer gardens and coffee shops I could take. Only so much fishing (and some hunting) I could do in foreign locations without realizing hunting ducks in Poland is about the same as hunting ducks anywhere other than the food and language. I have a bunch of hobbies but doing any of them excessively, at least for me, becomes very boring. I enjoy working, always have. I enjoy solving problems, interacting with people with similar work experiences and backgrounds. I am getting close to normal retirement age and I am looking forward to it but for different reasons than what I had before....I am looking forward to it because I am starting another small business and this time around I will have the income to be very selective about the projects and customers I work with....can't wait!
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:48 am to jafari rastaman
Your problem is your wife. You could stop working now, move your brokerage account to low risk income producing investments, and live of the interest from your brokerage account. With no debt, $4k a month is a doable budget for living simply if you can rein her in.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:50 am to jafari rastaman
4% safe withdrawal rate on $2m is $80k. Can you live on that without mortgage or debt? Your desired lifestyle sounds like it could be modest "raise my family, hunt, fish, and watch my LSU Tigers."
Research ACA subsidies. W/ a low taxable income you may qualify for inexpensive healthcare plan. On related note, your kids might qualify for college aid if you have lower taxable income living off of investment basis and capital gains.
Advisors arent necessary and even a 1% asset under management fee costs hundreds of thousands over time. Educate yourself. Make sure you are diversified and dont panic sell or time markets.
Get on same page as wife about life goals or your plan will fail whatever you choose. This would be my top priority before moving on anything else except diversifying if you happen to be concentrated in individual stocks, crypto etc.
You can access retirement accounts early without penalty using Roth conversion ladder, 72(t), Roth contributions, or Rule of 55. No need to wait decades. Even if you dont tap retirement accounts directly now, you can use those funds to calculate safe withdrawal rate just draw more from taxable now and shift to taking withdrawals to retirement accounts later.
Post this to money board for better advice and start reading up on FIRE.
Research ACA subsidies. W/ a low taxable income you may qualify for inexpensive healthcare plan. On related note, your kids might qualify for college aid if you have lower taxable income living off of investment basis and capital gains.
Advisors arent necessary and even a 1% asset under management fee costs hundreds of thousands over time. Educate yourself. Make sure you are diversified and dont panic sell or time markets.
Get on same page as wife about life goals or your plan will fail whatever you choose. This would be my top priority before moving on anything else except diversifying if you happen to be concentrated in individual stocks, crypto etc.
You can access retirement accounts early without penalty using Roth conversion ladder, 72(t), Roth contributions, or Rule of 55. No need to wait decades. Even if you dont tap retirement accounts directly now, you can use those funds to calculate safe withdrawal rate just draw more from taxable now and shift to taking withdrawals to retirement accounts later.
Post this to money board for better advice and start reading up on FIRE.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 6:54 am
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:50 am to jafari rastaman
Why isn’t getting a different job one of your options? What do you earn now and what’s your earning potential?
I think you should take this to the money board but just with what you’ve given us, keep working and get on the same page with your wife is my advice.
You’re fine if you truly have $2M in assets and you don’t need asset allocation advice from the OT. Even if you’re “paycheck to paycheck” for a season you’re still OK. Just make sure you and your wife have a unified financial vision.
I think you should take this to the money board but just with what you’ve given us, keep working and get on the same page with your wife is my advice.
You’re fine if you truly have $2M in assets and you don’t need asset allocation advice from the OT. Even if you’re “paycheck to paycheck” for a season you’re still OK. Just make sure you and your wife have a unified financial vision.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:53 am to jafari rastaman
We have nowhere near enough info to give good advice. But I would assume, since you mentioned it multiple times, that your wife’s budget exceeds the cash flow which could be generated by the accounts you mention. Therefore, with limited info, the most important thing would be to reduce her spending. Keep saving, maybe at a higher rate without the spending. That will eventually get you to where you are able to retire earlier.
Your budget in retirement, with inflation built into it, is an exceedingly important piece of info. You will need to draw funds from the accounts to meet that budget.
Your budget in retirement, with inflation built into it, is an exceedingly important piece of info. You will need to draw funds from the accounts to meet that budget.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:57 am to jafari rastaman
C. My goalposts is $5,000,000 so at $2 Mill there’s still a lot of work to do.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:03 am to jafari rastaman
still going to work daily.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:04 am to jafari rastaman
Hire a poet to chronicle your adventures to pass down through the ages
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:05 am to jafari rastaman
Realize that due to unrealized taxes, you probably have 20-30% less than you claim.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:06 am to jafari rastaman
40s is too young to retire. Quit that job if you want to but id find something you at least halfway enjoy to occupy your time
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:07 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
explore passions you put off earlier in life
This is the problem with retirement that many people find themselves facing....those passions were really not all that interesting, at least over a very long period of time for someone who retires in their 40's and will most likely be pretty healthy and viable into their late 70s early 80s.
Seriously, consider this - you have the sex drive and physical ability of a 21 year old man and you retire at 40. You have the money and the time to pursue the international buffet of women. You are passionate about this (you have the drive and ability of a 21 year old, nothing would take a back seat). Would you be passionate about it after 12 months? Most likely not...It'd be a LOT like working for a living after a while. You still have 29 years to go. Most people DREAM of having as much time to do what they want to do and the funds to do it....and most of them find that they really weren't that creative and find they have an awful lot of time on their hands.
Hobbies are enjoyable in part because we have to make time and find funding for them. If you have plenty of both it is akin to working....you have all the time for working and all the funding for working that you will ever have every day of your life. If you need more time or funding for working you let other things go...sleep less, spend less on other things, whatever it takes making your nut while working is your number one passion because it has to be, you have little choice in the matter. Thats one reason it becomes a chore and not a passion - it is what you do. The same is true of any passion....if you are able to pursue it without limit, at least in most instances, you will find it wasn't really a passion after all, just like earning a living.
Retirement would be great at 65 say and you do not have 40 years to seek meaning....most of our passions or hobbies will sustain our interests over a few years or so and if you have several such passions or hobbies that could mean 10 - 15 years. At that age you will, most likely, be passionate about merely existing. At 40 that would mean you were 55 and still had 25 years or so to seek meaning. That leads many people to making all manner of ill decisions like divorcing, chasing younger women, all sorts of shite.
People are built to labor. Most of us were not born into a life of leisure and those who are lead pretty boring existences. Having time and funding seems like the perfect scenario but most will find it wanting for meaning in a short period of time. We just aren't as creative as we like to think we are....we are creatures of habit who thrive on routine and regularity. Unless you were born into a life of leisure making the transition is not as easy as it seems.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:09 am to Dawgfanman
I’ve been wondering the same thing as I approach this point.
The thought crossed my mind that as in my mid-40s, if my tech job went away I’d consider teaching science or math at the private level. Would give me some extra spending $ and insurance coverage.
The thought crossed my mind that as in my mid-40s, if my tech job went away I’d consider teaching science or math at the private level. Would give me some extra spending $ and insurance coverage.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:11 am to Dawgfanman
quote:
Realize that due to unrealized taxes, you probably have 20-30% less than you claim.
Certainly a big blind spot in some folks' perception of wealth.
But, the bigger issues:
1. The younger you retire, obviously, the longer you will be in retirement.
2. Conversely, the longer you work, it preserves your retirement/savings because you're contributing, contributing longer and generally more as your final years working tend to be at the highest earnings, as opposed to drawing down those savings
3. If you don't have a job to occupy your time, you tend to acquire expensive hobbies - nothing wrong with that, in principle, but you're literally on a fixed income - essentially you are trading earning/saving years with spending years
Even retiring in your mid-50s would be "early". 60 is a nice target - a sweet spot between retiring "too young" and working until you're too old/sick to enjoy it.
Obviously, YMMV, some people have defined benefits in addition to retirement savings which will complicate all those calculations.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 7:13 am
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