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re: What is your opinion on the gentrification of N.O.?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:43 am to geauxtigers87
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:43 am to geauxtigers87
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:45 am to Jcorye1
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what you're saying is, you went to Nashville and took a job from a Nashville
Aaaaaand
Boom goes the dynamite
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:48 am to Sammobile
He'll fix the Holliday to Davis connection.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:50 am to Breesus
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Ohhh. You're an out of towner ignorantly commenting on our city structure who should just shut the frick up.
What an ignorant comment. You don't have to be a woman to understand sexism. You don't have to be a minority to understand racism. Believe it or not, gentrification is a common occurrence in many cities (not just NO) and a lot of people can understand it and appreciate it.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:53 am to Aubie Spr96
And an up vote goes to Aubie.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:55 am to 504ByrdGang
It's great! We have a home for the displaced, it's called New Orleans East.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 6:55 am to Aubie Spr96
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What an ignorant comment. You don't have to be a woman to understand sexism. You don't have to be a minority to understand racism. Believe it or not, gentrification is a common occurrence in many cities (not just NO) and a lot of people can understand it
It's kind of hard to comment on the infastructure and makeup of a city especially the details of who is moving out of what neighborhoods if you don't even live there.
We aren't talking about gentrification in general or in history we are talking specifically about the gentrification currently happening within the city of new Orleans.
You're using a classic technique of ignoring the actual issue to promote your own agenda and shift the conversation from a specific topic to a general principle.
No thanks.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:02 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:07 am to 504ByrdGang
Whitey will kill the culture
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:09 am to 504ByrdGang
Great thing. St. Claude, St. Roch, Holy Cross, and the Lower Ninth were all terrible before the storm. I refuse to believe that people investing in these neighborhoods and spending their hard earned money to make it look nice is a bad thing, regardless of where they're from or the color of their skin.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:09 am to Breesus
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You're using a classic technique of ignoring the actual issue to promote your own agenda and shift the conversation from a specific topic to a general principle.
I have no agenda in this conversation other than to point out that its possible for people other than yourself to actually know something about the topic. I don't have to live in NO to understand the gentrification of that city no more than I have to live in Afghanistan to understand its a shithole. I can read. You should try it.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:11 am to 504ByrdGang
When wealthy people left the city, they were blamed for its demise. Perhaps considered racists too. Cities need a tax base and it showed when they left.
Now wealthy people are moving back in and being blamed for displacing poorer folks.
Where are wealthy people supposed to live to keep everyone happy?
Now wealthy people are moving back in and being blamed for displacing poorer folks.
Where are wealthy people supposed to live to keep everyone happy?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:15 am to Breesus
Keep on ignorantly thinking that every person driven out of the city by rising costs are degenerate bums. Sure, some of them are leeches, but some of them aren't. I know this is hard to believe for you because you know everything, but there are dual income families that can't afford to live in New Orleans.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:16 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:17 am to Breesus
And FYI the neighborhood is called Bywater not The Bywater. Only transplant hipsters call it The Bywater. You should know that.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:20 am to BottomlandBrew
Believe it or not there is something called you know the working class poor. That's your waiters, bartenders, cooks, dish washers, you know the people who make a restaurant a restaurant. Their wages aren't seeing an increase in this, their cost of living is going up. New Orleans is a tourist city, always has been. It's the people who made the experience for the tourist. Most of them bussed or walked to work in the Quarters and other touristy places.
Also, I'm a lifelong New Orleans resident
Also, I'm a lifelong New Orleans resident
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:22 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:20 am to Breesus
Look, no one who is objective about it really has a problem with with moving people from one subsidized housing project to another. The only way I could see justifying the failed current situation is if there was some cultural value to preserving a neighborhood, but in this case there would be a value to all in breaking up the status quo.
That said, I can see how someone who works hard at an entry or blue collar job would be upset when their rent jumps 50% and they have to move away from a neighborhood they've lived in their entire life.
But the reality is the current situation in New Orleans and elsewhere is that we've been living in a deviation brought on by the race riots of the sixties and generations of terrible government in our urban areas that chased out jobs and people who otherwise would've priced out those workers 40 years ago.
Basic market forces dictate that the best jobs and most expensive neighborhoods should be located in the city and that low wage workers would be located in the less desirable outer rings. People shouldn't naturally aspire to a 45 minute commute, they are forced to do it by the threat of crime and declining property values. Remove those two factors and the tide of affluence will start to flow back in.
We are just seeing a slow return to the mean so to speak and the only thing that will stop it is more poor government or an economic downturn.
That said, I can see how someone who works hard at an entry or blue collar job would be upset when their rent jumps 50% and they have to move away from a neighborhood they've lived in their entire life.
But the reality is the current situation in New Orleans and elsewhere is that we've been living in a deviation brought on by the race riots of the sixties and generations of terrible government in our urban areas that chased out jobs and people who otherwise would've priced out those workers 40 years ago.
Basic market forces dictate that the best jobs and most expensive neighborhoods should be located in the city and that low wage workers would be located in the less desirable outer rings. People shouldn't naturally aspire to a 45 minute commute, they are forced to do it by the threat of crime and declining property values. Remove those two factors and the tide of affluence will start to flow back in.
We are just seeing a slow return to the mean so to speak and the only thing that will stop it is more poor government or an economic downturn.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:22 am to TigerWise
I call my hood "The Bonnabel". It sounds hip and sophisticated
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:29 am to 504ByrdGang
It's freaking awesome. N.O. is better than it's been in 50 plus years right now.
And not just because some hipsters came into some bad neighborhoods.
People of all types have moved here like crazy and there are renovations and new construction of every kind going on all over the city in every neighborhood.
And not just because some hipsters came into some bad neighborhoods.
People of all types have moved here like crazy and there are renovations and new construction of every kind going on all over the city in every neighborhood.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:30 am to Breesus
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And these stupid fricking hipster dipshits in this city right now, who are moving here from I assume Seattle, protesting the city park golf course and actively protesting the rebuilding and renewing these great old new Orleans neighborhoods, going so far as to vandalize property when it is built, need to take their gauges and tattoos and artisan coffee and go back to the north.
Apparently you aren't aware these very people are the first line of gentrification and start the whole process because they make the place "hip." Without them you have nothing.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:34 am to BottomlandBrew
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When your working class can no longer afford to go to work. I don't know the solution, but I know a lot of cities are currently facing the problem of blue collar workers being forced out of the cities by higher rates. In New Orleans you have a huge service labor force that barely makes it by as is. New Orleans public transit blows donkey dick. How are those people going to get in to the city to work?
Breesus, all he said in this statement was s general observation about gentrification - and a correct one at that. Then he made a factual statement about public transportation in NOLA (unless you want to argue that public transportation in NOLA is good
You generally come across as a decent guy on here, so I'm not sure who pissed in your Cheerios this morning, but you don't have to live in New Orleans to understand basic principals of gentrification. New Orleans is a specia city, but it's not immune to the same cause and effect principals that other cities going through the same process have experienced.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:36 am
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