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re: What is your opinion on the gentrification of N.O.?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:35 am to LawLessTyGer
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:35 am to LawLessTyGer
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It's great! We have a home for the displaced, it's called New Orleans East.
This. Lots of land still for projects and four plexes.
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:36 am to Shamalamadingdong
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Apparently you aren't aware these very people are the first line of gentrification and start the whole process because they make the place "hip." Without them you have nothing.
Hipsters are like the marines of gentrification. It doesn't seem to work unless they secure the beachhead.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:39 am to BottomlandBrew
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but there are dual income families that can't afford to live in New Orleans.
Maybe they can't afford to live Uptown or choice areas of Mid City, but Gentilly and Algiers have tons of really nice houses for less than $200k.
Algiers especially, they have neighborhoods that are 75% white, where you can get a 3,000 ft sq home for les than $200k.
Yeah right now I could not afford to live Uptown, maybe not even mid city. But to say the entire city is too expensive is obvious that the person talking does not know the city.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:39 am to Breesus
Holy shite.
As someone who isn't a native of NOLA but currently lives in the city, you need to STFU and quit being an ignorant a-hole. As was already said, Bottom knows as much about the city's current infrastructure and projects as anyone on here. Where he's originally from doesn't matter a single frickin bit and your reliance on catch words like out of towner make you come off as a huge douche.
Step away from the keyboard for a while.
As someone who isn't a native of NOLA but currently lives in the city, you need to STFU and quit being an ignorant a-hole. As was already said, Bottom knows as much about the city's current infrastructure and projects as anyone on here. Where he's originally from doesn't matter a single frickin bit and your reliance on catch words like out of towner make you come off as a huge douche.
Step away from the keyboard for a while.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:40 am to Hammertime
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I call my hood "The Bonnabel". It sounds hip and sophisticated
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:47 am to tide06
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Hipsters are like the marines of gentrification. It doesn't seem to work unless they secure the beachhead.
This is true and once the turnaround is established and money starts coming in they get turned upon for whatever different reason. Tattoos, art, low income etc...
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:51 am to blkhawktiger
Didn't bottomland help design the lafitte greenway, bike paths, etc?
He does know his shite and has always been a good level headed poster.
It's not like Breesus should be treating him like tigerlee or something.
He does know his shite and has always been a good level headed poster.
It's not like Breesus should be treating him like tigerlee or something.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:56 am to Napoleon
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But to say the entire city is too expensive is obvious that the person talking does not know the city.
He's saying as the city becomes more gentrified, those places that are currently affordable to working class families will become much more expensive and no longer affordable.
And as has been stated by many in this thread, BottomlandBrew knows more about this topic and the city than any of us in here, yourself included.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:56 am to AbitaFan08
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You generally come across as a decent guy on here
You're talking about Breesus?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:57 am to Napoleon
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Maybe they can't afford to live Uptown or choice areas of Mid City, but Gentilly and Algiers have tons of really nice houses for less than $200k. Algiers especially, they have neighborhoods that are 75% white, where you can get a 3,000 ft sq home for les than $200k. Yeah right now I could not afford to live Uptown, maybe not even mid city. But to say the entire city is too expensive is obvious that the person talking does not know the city.
You were doing well until that last sentence. As mentioned already Bottom knows what's up in New Orleans. He has at least lived in New Orleans recently unlike yourself. But you make good points. There are tons of shitty areas that still haven't been touched. Also there are many subsidized housing programs that aren't projects.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:58 am to chalmetteowl
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bad for suburbs...
The poor really cant afford to move and many of the section 8 areas likely won't change. IMO some of the democrats will make their way out to NO East and possibly the parish but a vast majority will stay as it has always been "their hood."
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:59 am to LNCHBOX
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You're talking about Breesus?
Could be thinking of someone else. It generally takes a lot for someone to stick out as being an a-hole on this board to me, so I guess he just hasn't hit that threshold yet.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 7:59 am to Napoleon
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Maybe they can't afford to live Uptown or choice areas of Mid City, but Gentilly and Algiers have tons of really nice houses for less than $200k.
You're correct that Gentilly and Algiers are currently affordable and now is the time to buy in those areas. They won't stay that way, though. When the new CZO is ever adopted, you'll see a land grab. That S-RS zoning is going to get pricey.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:00 am to tide06
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But the reality is the current situation in New Orleans and elsewhere is that we've been living in a deviation brought on by the race riots of the sixties and generations of terrible government in our urban areas that chased out jobs and people who otherwise would've priced out those workers 40 years ago.
Basic market forces dictate that the best jobs and most expensive neighborhoods should be located in the city and that low wage workers would be located in the less desirable outer rings. People shouldn't naturally aspire to a 45 minute commute, they are forced to do it by the threat of crime and declining property values. Remove those two factors and the tide of affluence will start to flow back in.
We are just seeing a slow return to the mean so to speak and the only thing that will stop it is more poor government or an economic downturn.
it sounds all well and good that the city is coming back, but you have two generations basically that know nothing but the suburbs, and they're going to keep fighting for their suburbs
the hope is that all the parishes in the metro area share in the economic resurgence in NOLA. the Northshore, St. Charles, etc., aren't just gonna concede and stop trying to be great places to live
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:01 am to AbitaFan08
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He's saying as the city becomes more gentrified, those places that are currently affordable to working class families will become much more expensive and no longer affordable.
Sucks, but it's an unfortunate side effect. It's hard for me to drive down the Freret corridor and say "This is a bad thing." Especially when I remember what it looked like 10 years ago.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:08 am to chillygentilly
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Sucks, but it's an unfortunate side effect. It's hard for me to drive down the Freret corridor and say "This is a bad thing." Especially when I remember what it looked like 10 years ago.
For sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gentrification. I'm just pointing out a real side effect. Displaced workers is a legit counter argument to gentrification.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:08 am to Hammertime
I live in the Covington
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:08 am to H.M. Murdock
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The poor really cant afford to move and many of the section 8 areas likely won't change. IMO some of the democrats will make their way out to NO East and possibly the parish but a vast majority will stay as it has always been "their hood."
property taxes and higher rent disagree with you... the only question is how far will gentrification go. if it starts in the East and the lower 9, if people just have to have "New Orleans, LA" on their mail and not anywhere else, that will be all she wrote.
it will take a long time however
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:13 am to chalmetteowl
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property taxes and higher rent disagree with you
Wont matter as much as the .gov is providing these folks with housing and the property owners with a guaranteed monthly check.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:14 am to chalmetteowl
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it sounds all well and good that the city is coming back, but you have two generations basically that know nothing but the suburbs, and they're going to keep fighting for their suburbs
the hope is that all the parishes in the metro area share in the economic resurgence in NOLA. the Northshore, St. Charles, etc., aren't just gonna concede and stop trying to be great places to live
Agreed, keep in mind that in a natural state you would have an affluent center with pockets of outstanding suburbs surrounded by lower wage living areas.
Not everyone with the means to do so wants to live in a small house with no yard in the middle of the city. Families and those who just like their space will still commute in as they do now, so its not like all the money will flow in and poverty and crime will take over every suburb.
The weak ones will fall and the strong will survive.
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