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re: What is so difficult about the zipper merge concept?

Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
12734 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:07 pm to
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seamlessly "cut them off". All it takes is one person having to brake because they weren't let in

You're making a huge assumption that people in the merging lane are checking the distance to the merge, gauging traffic in the lane they need to merge into, etc. 99% of people don't do any of this. They literally have their eyes fixed forward and are completely ignorant of the merge until they're causing other cars to have to brake. I go through this shite multiple times a day. They're like the people that merge onto an interstate at 40mph. Boom, traffic gets backed up halfway to San Antonio.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40114 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:19 pm to
Zipper merge works fine when it is designed that way… two lanes merge in the middle into one lane

Zipper merge does not work when one lane is suddenly and temporarily closed and you actually have to change lanes.

Merging and switching lanes are not the same thing,
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34402 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:23 pm to
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You're making a huge assumption that people in the merging lane are checking the distance to the merge, gauging traffic in the lane they need to merge into, etc


Same root cause. There are a few exceptions, but broadly speaking human beings are fricking terrible at anything that requires them to think about something other than themselves.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12421 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:26 pm to
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Wrong. The shorter the 1-lane is in use, the less lag is introduced. There are literally Ops Mgmt algorithms for this.



Imagine looking at society and thinking everyone could follow norms, as if a well oiled machine
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
21548 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:28 pm to
Exactly. I drove to work for 20 years where two lanes crossedon the off ramp of the interstate and a feed off of another road. At the rush hour the regulars there would zipper merge. It went quite well with only the occasional driver who hugged the driver in front of them.

I see the reluctance to zipper merge with younger drivers.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
8984 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:30 pm to
The assclowns that merge from the back and immediately accelerate to keep cars in front of them from merging should be on top of the deportation lists.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35708 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:35 pm to
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There are a few exceptions, but broadly speaking human beings are fricking terrible at anything that requires them to think about something other than themselves.


So you’re suggesting that instead of merging when and where they’re supposed to all those idiots should plan ahead and merge a mile earlier, creating a backup in that lane?

Interesting.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
101142 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:38 pm to
Zip merge does not work, everyone in front of you wants to be first.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34402 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:46 pm to
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So you’re suggesting that instead of merging when and where they’re supposed to all those idiots should plan ahead and merge a mile earlier, creating a backup in that lane?

Interesting.


I don't recall suggesting anything. Some problems don't have realistic solutions.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13495 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:50 pm to
Everyone slows down at the point of merge. If people are able to merge early, no one would ever have to slow down.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
31726 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:55 pm to
Works great on a computer animation….
Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
19051 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:57 pm to
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Everyone slows down at the point of merge.


Correct, but to be blunt, anytime the amount of vehicles in two lanes have to merge into one lane things are going to slow down.

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If people are able to merge early, no one would ever have to slow down.


Wrong. When people try to merge early, they slow up traffic behind them while waiting on a spot to open up.

Meanwhile there is almost always a bunch of lane unused ahead of them that could be occupied.

If you can merge early without slowing traffic behind you down by all means. But if you bring vehicles to a stop behind you and there’s lane unused it’s causing more of an issue.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60564 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:59 pm to
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What is so difficult about the zipper merge concept?


Kids today don't know how good it used to be

Button Fly > Zipper

Protects the twigs and berries and way more fun for sex with your bestie in public places.
Posted by 1609tiger
Member since Feb 2011
3679 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:04 pm to
Zipper is a fraud. No additional cars get thru a congested area by using zipper as opposed to one single lane.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
125236 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:06 pm to
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What is so difficult about the zipper merge concept?
Should probably be taught in driver’s ed. But it is ingrained in our culture to feel like someone is “cheating” by not merging early. Dumb but true.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15060 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:15 pm to
How a zipper merge is supposed to work: everyone helps each other

How a zipper merge actually works: everyone cutting each other off because fu*k everyone else Im more important and these precious five seconds will RUIN MY DAAAAAAAY.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6275 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:27 pm to
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Imagine looking at society and thinking everyone could follow norms, as if a well oiled machine


The missing part of the "zipper merge equation", and why it will never ever work. The geniuses who came up with it apparently weren't smart enough to factor in human nature.

Something about teaching a pig to dance. Just aggravates the frick out of said pig and frustrates the hell out of the instructor.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29566 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:31 pm to
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Because traffic volume usually exceeds the single lane capacity causing traffic to backup. In addition it’s almost always accompanied by a reduced speed further causing backups. Merging earlier streamlines the process in the real world. It never works like the nifty “zipper merge is the way” infographics. Leaving only assholes trying to zip up and force their way into bumper to bumper already merged traffic. Sometimes on the shoulder causing reasonable people to rage



Wow

What a fricking idiot, as well as the rest of dumbfricks upvoting this and downvoting OP.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49025 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:34 pm to
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If someone has to pause to “let you in” then the benefit is gone.


That’s because most drivers are imbeciles and instead of decreasing their speed 2-3 mph and opening spots in the lane to merge in, they’d rather ride the bumper of car in front of them and then slam in their brakes causing much larger delays because “I was here first”.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
1913 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:51 pm to
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The assclowns that merge from the back and immediately accelerate to keep cars in front of them from merging should be on top of the deportation lists.


Completely agree!
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