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Posted on 8/26/18 at 7:43 am to OweO
You don’t understand anything about the First Amendment.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:08 am to OweO
You are comparing a man who loved his country enough to put his life on the line for it to a man who probably hates his country and accepted millions of dollars from the very customers he infuriated, and then cried when he got fired for it. The first one has earned the utmost respect from the American people even if all do not agree with his voting record, while the other just learned an important lesson in business. I don’t dislike either one of them personally because I never met them, but I certainly respect the senator’s performance a great deal more.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:15 am to LSUtoBOOT
A
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:35 am to OweO
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A. Someone taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem, in protest of something they think is important (keep in mind, you might disagree with the reason they are doing it, but they are allowed to express their first amendment right)
I respect anyone's first amendment right but they need to be prepared for me to express mine too. Also the issue of the NFL is that this is not First Amend issue. Supreme Court has ruled that an employee does not have the right to protest on their employer's time and property. They can do whatever they want on their own time but do not have the Right to do so on TV during the telecast which is owned by the NFL owners.
I have respected McCain for his service and POW experience. Very few in this world can relate to that. I have however been very disappointed with his personal battle with Trump that has derailed his own party's legislation and contributed to the derail Trump effort by the democrats. He chose to take this unpopular path so I am not upset by the criticisms but they should be informed ones. I am glad to see him out of the Senate even though I voted McCain-Palin.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:42 am to OweO
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keep in mind, you might disagree with the reason they are doing it, but they are allowed to express their first amendment right)
Not on private sector time.
So A.
McCain, and his family came off as trash with the whole "keeping the power" as he was going thru what he was. He should have retired. The guy was a hot head, and had probably had some pretty bad mental issues from what he went thru. Sux he went thru what he went thru, but wasnt in the right mind to run anything. He was an obstructionist in his "own" party. And his daughter is a fat slut too.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:43 am to OweO
Oh shut up Chris.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:54 am to Sentrius
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OP is a huge cuck.
He would have to get a woman in the first place to be a cuck, and no one can stand being around Chris for more than 5 minutes
Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:07 am to Flat Stanley
You are a terrible poster. Smug little frick. Whose alter are you?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:14 am to OweO
quote:would you if you could?
I never stand for the National Anthem
Posted on 8/26/18 at 10:59 am to OweO
You have some serious logic flaws in your choices.
The First Amendment isn't an issue here. The First Amendment is strictly to keep the government from taking action to stop one from speaking out on something. A public official stating their stance as a private individual does not rise to First Amendment issues unless they begin trying to use their position to apply pressure to stop such speech.
To date the President has done nothing official , just complained via his Twitter. So bringing the First Amendment up in this is ignorant at best, or attempting to sway arguments by perpetuating a false narrative at worst (almost as false a narrative as the one those players are kneeling over).
What McCain did during the war was ballsy beyond comprehension, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass on doing shite things the rest of his life. Just within the past couple of years he fricked us on repealing the ACA (iirc, his reasoning was because Trump was for it) and was one of the leads (if not the progenitor) of weaponizing the IRS against conservative groups.
tl;dr - your thread sucks.
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Someone taking a knee during the playing of the national anthem, in protest of something they think is important (keep in mind, you might disagree with the reason they are doing it, but they are allowed to express their first amendment right)
The First Amendment isn't an issue here. The First Amendment is strictly to keep the government from taking action to stop one from speaking out on something. A public official stating their stance as a private individual does not rise to First Amendment issues unless they begin trying to use their position to apply pressure to stop such speech.
To date the President has done nothing official , just complained via his Twitter. So bringing the First Amendment up in this is ignorant at best, or attempting to sway arguments by perpetuating a false narrative at worst (almost as false a narrative as the one those players are kneeling over).
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B. Someone who disrespects the fact a war hero, who later became a US Rep then US Senator and served until the day he died?
What McCain did during the war was ballsy beyond comprehension, but that doesn't give him an automatic pass on doing shite things the rest of his life. Just within the past couple of years he fricked us on repealing the ACA (iirc, his reasoning was because Trump was for it) and was one of the leads (if not the progenitor) of weaponizing the IRS against conservative groups.
tl;dr - your thread sucks.
This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:12 am to Havoc
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And now at his passing all these fricking liberals are praising McCain.
So fricking Rich.
Just for the record, I am not a liberal.
As I stated before, the two top reasons I have always respected him is because of:
- He was a POW for 5.5 years. You can read what he went through during those years right here.
LINK
Any man who has gone through that gains my respect.
- I liked his political philosophy.
This is a quote from George Washington.
quote:
“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards ...
I think John McCain was a representation of this. Country before party and working towards bills & laws in which all parties can live with.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:14 am to OweO
What bills and policies did you specifically like? Thanks.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:19 am to Bard
Even if you didn’t like McCain’s views being happy that he died is just plain disrespectful.
This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:34 am to 1BamaRTR
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If you didn’t like McCain’s views being happy that he died is just plain disrespectful.
I can agree with that. I can also agree with his not being willing to step down even though he was no longer physically capable of doing the job was disrespectful to his constituents and the country.
I'm not happy the man is dead, but I am happy he will no longer be fricking things up in the Senate.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:45 am to OweO
without specific details I would say A over B like most would...however we have specific details and in regards to what you are referencing
A. person who protests on the clock of their employer is not under protection from the first amendment in regards to their employer taking recourse against said employee. also peaceful protests do not usually have a negative impact on their employer's product and sales.
B. didn't McCain sing like a fairy as a POW and basically give up any military information he had while also being treated better than his subordinates due to being an officer...because that is not something a war hero would do. Also serving your own self interests as a politician is not service.
A. person who protests on the clock of their employer is not under protection from the first amendment in regards to their employer taking recourse against said employee. also peaceful protests do not usually have a negative impact on their employer's product and sales.
B. didn't McCain sing like a fairy as a POW and basically give up any military information he had while also being treated better than his subordinates due to being an officer...because that is not something a war hero would do. Also serving your own self interests as a politician is not service.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:08 pm to OweO
B.
It’s been reprehensible to say the least.
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Some of the same people who get furious when a few NFL players take a knee during the national anthem have showed complete disrespect towards the death of a man who served his country during war and as a US Senator until the day he died.
It’s been reprehensible to say the least.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:48 pm to OweO
What about disrespecting the President
Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:49 pm to OweO
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Hopefully this thread will break my record for the most downed voted thread.
PURE attention whore..................
I really feel sorry for you...............
Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:51 pm to fallguy_1978
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Being a war hero doesn't make one a good human being though.
yep and being in a war and being captured doesnt make you as war hero, only doing something heroic in battle makes you a war hero.
in mccains case he changed history and lied about the events of his service and covered up his disgraceful actions to falsely claim himself to be a hero and out of respect for what he went through no one called him out on it.
did he suffer yes, but did he sing like a stool pigeon, oh yes he did and continued to tell and do anything they asked of him while in captivity. while that is understandable under the circumstances it is called doing what you have to do to survive, that is not being a hero by any strectch
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