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re: We, as a society, really dropped the ball on potential police reform

Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41089 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:09 pm to
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You’re right. Taking Personal Responsibility for your actions is un-American nowadays.


Your reading comprehension is dogshit man
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:11 pm to
Typical boot licker mentality. There are obviously significant problems throughout the force and someone like you wants to ignore them
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6966 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:11 pm to
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At this point, I'm not sure what the answer is and I'm not sure the divide between police and the public can be healed.

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There is no divide between the public and police. I get approached multiple times a day while on duty by citizens saying, "Thank you". The American public isn't a bunch of edgy tryhards on the internet.

That's good to hear. Not sure if it's like that everywhere but one can hope.
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4429 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:18 pm to
Blame the police for every thing is a ridiculous argument.

Police reform across the board isn’t needed. Over the past few years, most law enforcement agencies across this country have implemented body cameras to act as a quality control for policy and use force violations, attended multiple classes on implied bias policing, cultural awareness, ect.. Many have participated in midnight basketball leagues, cook outs, and other community outreach programs to build closer relationships with the youth and citizens they serve. Police Departments have trained their officers in conflict resolution and crisis management and encouraged diplomacy over use of force when applicable. Use of force policies have been amended and require officers to face greater threats before engaging combative or passively resisting suspects. Technology, such as non lethal items tools like tasers and pepper ball guns, have been provided to most departments to lower the use of hard empty hand strikes and the use of batons.

The list of REFORMS goes on much longer, but I am not going to spend all day pointing out all the efforts that have been made by police departments to become more transparent, accountable, and humane towards the citizens they police.

Every cop in this country agrees that Chauvin acted improperly and failed to recognize that his use of force was excessive. We all want him held accountable.

But please spare the cries for a complete overhaul of law enforcement in this country. Opportunist are exploiting one mistake, made by one cop, during one encounter to gain more leniency from law enforcement that holds them accountable. They are also trying to villainize all police officers in order to encourage them not to come into their communities and enforce law and order and to discredit police officers so that if they are arrested the officers are not deemed as credible in a court of law.

Don’t take the bait. If you cannot see through all the ulterior motives that are out there calling for police reform you are missing the biggest pink elephant in the room.

ETA: For full disclosure, I am a cop and I have three college degrees. Some of the best cops I have worked with don’t have the formal education I do. Honor, integrity, and common sense are what make some stand above others in this line of work.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25917 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:21 pm to
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I'm more referencing the people on here and other social media that basically handwave away bad police actions because the criminal “started it”

It’s odd that a significant number of people are down with shitty behavior as long as someone else’s shitty behavior led up to it.

Look at the arbery threads. Plenty of “well he was had a criminal past and wouldn’t have gotten killed if he wasn’t trespassing so I don’t care that he’s dead or that the proximate cause of his death was shitty, illegal behavior”


It’s a childish, low IQ way of thinking and unfortunately a lot of people think that way



But the two things are not mutually exclusive.

We should discuss both, but the fact that we can only discuss one is a huge problem.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42635 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 2:51 pm to
Would better pay, forty hour work weeks and better training help you guys in blue? I’d place limits on overtime and second jobs too all to reduce stress and make officers less tired.
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4429 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 3:01 pm to
Without a doubt it would help. None of us ever expected to be rich when we got into this line of work. We traded the finer things in life for a life of purpose and a sense of duty to protect others.

Market value and a honest living would bring recruiting back to the levels that we all should demand.

Being over worked and working long days to make a living take a toll on everyone. Your patience and reasoning are one of the first things to go.

I have always thought this was a contributing factor during the Alton Sterling encounter in 2016. Officer Blane Salamoni, who worked nights at the time, spent the first half of his day working a foot patrol on the levee for the 4th of July. That meant he got off work at 7am, went to bed at some point, and was back up dressed and walking a beat at 3pm. His encounter with Sterling was later that night at midnight, half way through his shift that ended at 7am the next morning. Fatigue and patience were likely gone, thus a partial motive for the aggressive nature of his tactics.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299691 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Fatigue and patience were likely gone, thus a partial motive for the aggressive nature of his tactics.


Umm..
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6793 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by jfran23
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
1342 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 5:37 pm to
Don't get your analogy because you know there is a chance of being detained not dying over a forged 20. That's like telling your kid who got in trouble at school for cheating on a spelling test it's ok that he got brutally beaten by the teachers because "life is full of variables".
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9421 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 6:42 pm to
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He (cop) acted like everyone in the bar was trying to start a riot. When in fact it was him that started the disruptive behavior


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They can be drama queens. I have a huge respect for them, but they have to police their own instead of letting the shitbirds get away with BS. They gotta stop protecting the shitbirds on the force.



This is just the obvious issue: hot-headed "you wanna piece of this bro" types are the absolute worst police officers you could possibly have.


Yet, it seems police forces must think the ideal hire is "I came here drink beer or kick arse and I'm out of beer" dude from Dazed and Confused.


Posted by rrarr
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2016
276 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:29 pm to
Governor Edwards.. Donald Trump.. Sleepy Joe Biden.. whoever. Debate me live on any medium of your choice. I want you to look me in the eye and explain why we should not burn our country to the ground. Because it's time we get out the pitchforks and shotguns and go to war. If I just broke a law.. you know who I am. Come and get me.

All I did was post some manic statements and make a public fool of myself on the internet for 48 hours, but I hope it resonates with you people of power.

Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!

Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5618 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:48 pm to
Here are a few ideas:
Eliminate qualified immunity, eliminate police unions, and pay brutality claims out of police pension funds.

Also, end or rework the “War on Drugs”. When you declare war on a populace, it’s that populace that becomes the enemy.

Personal use drugs with no intent to distribute should be a fine, not jail time. Think of all the $ wasted arresting, processing , and jailing users.
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