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re: Was there really an Atlantis?
Posted on 4/18/26 at 10:26 pm to 308
Posted on 4/18/26 at 10:26 pm to 308
You should really search for a guy named Randall Carlson. He has been on Joe Rogan several times with Graham Hancock. He's also been on the Shawn Ryan podcast or just search for some of his lectures on Atlantis, Ancient Cataclysms and the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis on YouTube. IMO, he is by far the most educated person on the subject. He believes the Azores are remnants of where Atlantis once existed and it was a mini continent that was at the contact points of 3 tectonic plates in the middle of the north Atlantic.
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Posted on 4/18/26 at 10:30 pm to TheBeezer
Thanks for telling me about Carlson. Will search him.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 10:44 pm to 308
They believe Atlantis was Located in North Africa where the Sahara is located before it turned into a desert.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 12:01 am to 308
If it exists it has to be in the Mediterranean, or another body of water, that would have flooded around after the thaw from the last ice age.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 12:03 am to 308
Continents drift. They have found alligator remains in greenland. Maybe atlantis was at sea level and drifted into the depths. Around masada in isreal is the only place one can fly a plane below sea level.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:26 am to 308
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This is a political topic?
OP here, I screwed up.
I thought I was in the OT lounge when I started the thread.
Don't worry about it OP. People on this board will discuss or argue about and over anything. Your innocent mistake is now 5 pages and still rolling with the PT monkeys.
Once SFP enters a thread it'll be good for another 5 pages of poo flinging. If AltEd and SFP are in the same thread, 10 pages , facil!
You did good here OP, Thanks.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:33 am to Gusoline
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Continents drift
They sure do. Japan is slowly sliding into the ocean and will be gone eventually.
California is sliding north and will eventually be up against Alaska. Always changing, the earth's surface.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 6:43 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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We hear 'advanced technology' and immediately some think lasers and levitation beams. But that's not what anyone should think at all.
That is what a LOT of people in this area think, sadly.
When you take away the fantastical and say "There could have been a typical society for the time that was skilled at seafaring located off the coast of Northwestern Africa slightly earlier than we first thought" you'll lose a lot of converts to the faith.
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Just how does a bronze age (or earlier) civilization with no known preceding skills in architecture, engineering, fabrication, manufacturing, etc... on any capable scale construct such structures?
The Giza Pyramids were created around 2500 BC. That was a Bronze Age civilization, too. And we know who built them (there are records).
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'Slaves and a bunch of rope' doesn't even begin to explain it.
Modern people have shown how this wasn't as complicated as we make it out to be, and these Bronze Age societies were clever.
I love the Bronze Age. LOVE it. And the one thing in these discussions that always seems to emerge is a lack of respect for the cleverness of these people. Instead of being in awe of how these people were able to develop humanity and society, people today try to insult them by claiming they couldn't possibly do x, y, and z, so, aliens (or Atlantis).
Posted on 4/19/26 at 6:50 am to 308
quote:Possibly Santorini.
Was there really an Atlantis?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 6:51 am to AlterEd
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I'm not sure what any of this means though.
I'm not shocked that something outside of the stuff you read, that requires independent though, confuses you.
I'll throw something else out there on this same wavelength. Speaking of Atlantis as this pre-historic "advanced" society, not only do we have no record of coinage, we have no record of societies that would be its contemporaries, which is quite important. If Atlantis was advanced, it had to be rich (for the excess resources to devote to society to advance). If it was rich, especially given where you place it, it had to be a big trader.
Who were they trading with? Where are THOSE cities? Who were THOSE people?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 6:54 am to junkfunky
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If it exists it has to be in the Mediterranean, or another body of water, that would have flooded around after the thaw from the last ice age.
Nah, it didn't sink under the ocean. Rather, the ocean flooded it and when the waters receded there was left a shoal of mud which made getting to the area by ship impossible afterwards.
You can still see the evidence of Atlantis being swept over by a tsunami in this photo here.
What would have been an area of abundant water will have been stripped to the bedrock by the tsunami and then covered in mud, just as Plato describes.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 6:59 am to AlterEd
The Richat Structure is about 500 km from the coast. Do you care to guess its elevation?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Richat Structure is about 500 km from the coast. Do you care to guess its elevation?
If I remember right it's around 1,500 feet above sea level. Thing is, if people can build bridges that connect those rings in the city which are miles apart, they can build lochs and dams.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:05 am to AlterEd
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If I remember right it's around 1,500 feet above sea level. Thing is, if people can build bridges that connect those rings in the city which are miles apart, they can build lochs and dams.
Why would a seafaring people engineer 500km of locks and dams to flood an area 1500 feet above sea level when they could just... you know, live on the coast?
The other alternative was that this was Atlantis when the sea was 1500+ higher, which would make it a society who existed DURING this "flood" and not before or after.
And our best estimate of the highest the oceans have ever been compared to today is around 230-250 feet.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:09 am to SlowFlowPro
This is what Atlantis will have looked like. We are looking at it wrong because the entire northern half of Africa will have looked completely different
That entire portion to the left labeled Atlantis will have been almost cut off from the rest of the continent by large waterways. The entire area will have been navigable by ship. 1,500 feet in elevation change isn't shite when spread out over an area that large.
The mountains in the northern most part of that area? Still to this day known as the Atlas Mountains.
That entire portion to the left labeled Atlantis will have been almost cut off from the rest of the continent by large waterways. The entire area will have been navigable by ship. 1,500 feet in elevation change isn't shite when spread out over an area that large.
The mountains in the northern most part of that area? Still to this day known as the Atlas Mountains.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 7:12 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:12 am to 308
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Was there really an Atlantis?
No. Agriculture wasn't invented until after the Ice Age (around 10,000 BC). We know exactly where and when it developed - eastern Anatolia and the Levant.
Without agriculture you don't have time to do anything but hunt. Wild game and plants expire quickly, so you are always having to hunt for more. Every man must be a generalist (a hunter, gatherer, tool/weapon maker). No one was "specializing" in anything except the food economy. In their spare time we know some of them dabbled in clay/ceramics and also artwork (like on cave walls). But actual city building wasn't a thing.
To build civilization you need a constant and reliable food supply so you can grow the population. With hunting/gathering there aren't enough calories around to sustain large populations. The second reason is with agriculture your specialists don't have to waste time gathering food. They can turn their attention to building, masonry, stone cutting, engineering, etc.
With the advent of grain farming, now you have a food item that can be processed and stored in silos for a long time without going bad. That's a huge advantage, even though grains also had their downsides (it caused tooth decay and lacked protein which caused people to become smaller than their ancestors. If you look at skeletons before farming, they were taller, thicker boned, and almost all had perfect decay free teeth).
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:14 am to 308
I don’t know, man.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:16 am to AUstar
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Without agriculture you don't have time to do anything but hunt. Wild game and plants expire quickly, so you are always having to hunt for more. Every man must be a generalist (a hunter, gatherer, tool/weapon maker). No one was "specializing" in anything except the food economy. In their spare time we know some of them dabbled in clay/ceramics and also artwork (like on cave walls). But actual city building wasn't a thing.
Wrong. Gobekli Tepe disproves everything you're saying.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:18 am to AlterEd
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The entire area will have been navigable by ship.
You've previously quoted Plato. Why are you ignoring his quotes now?
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This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean
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Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia.
And island. Not an area navigable by river.
You're trying to turn Atlantis into Tenochtitlan.
Here is a picture comparing the actual structure to the size of Atlantis (from Plato)
Watch this video from Randall Carlson about the Richat Structure and Atlantis.
Also, just so you know, archeologists HAVE found evidence of other non-advanced cultures/histories there. Nothing like a city, but other artifacts from paleolithic cultures. If this "mud theory" was correct, those couldn't exist, as they'd have been washed away, too.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:19 am to 308
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Thanks for telling me about Carlson. Will search him.
The below video from Carlson is 2 hours. And I know ain't nobody got time for that, but the more I watched , the more I wanted to watch.
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