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re: Was there really an Atlantis?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As he was with Troy.
Yeah ignoring the entire "this is just a parable" part of the discussion, Plato is talking about an idea passed along thousands of years via oral tradition.
quote:Not his style.
Assuming he didn't just make it up
quote:The concentric rings described by Plato scream volcanic structure.
The fact that it's an actual island
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:33 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
As he was with Troy.
Homer, yes, but what we know of Troy isn't exactly what was described in the Illiad, either. And that would be a civilization the ancient Greeks had direct contact and history with (unlike Atlantis)
quote:
The concentric rings described by Plato scream volcanic structure.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm using it to dismiss the Richat Stucture theory, which cannot create an island.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
No Greek of that time period would call that an island. That's beyond silly.
I'm not an expert in ancient Greek, but I'd wager the actual word would eliminate that idea entirely, also.
Beyond silly? It's what the frickin word means.
What would you wager? Because you're frickin wrong. As usual.
Why in the world would you think it would be "beyond silly" for the ancient greeks to have the same definition for "island" that we do today? It's a simple concept. Land surrounded on all sides by water.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:35 am to AlterEd
quote:
It's what the frickin word means.
Not to a Greek.
Look at the examples you cited. Which, in any way, resemble your theoretical Atlantis?
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Not to a Greek.
Yes, to a Greek. I just gave you the goddamn definition.
quote:
Look at the examples you cited.
Look at the frickin definition. It is literally exactly what I said it was. A piece of land surrounded by water.
"I would be willing to wager the definition excludes that even."
Shut the frick up, moron. Why would the definition exclude the word's actual meaning? Jesus Christ I've never seen someone as narcissistic as you are be as wrong as often as you are. You're literally the living embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Just to respond about the Troy issue. I had AI give some distances for trade, just to envision how far they went.
The distance from Mycenae (northeastern Peloponnese, Greece) to Troy (northwestern Asia Minor, modern Turkey) is approximately 300–400 nautical miles.
The maritime distance from Mycenaean Greece (Peloponnese) to the southern Iberian Peninsula (Spain) in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1625–1150 BC) spanned approximately 2,000–2,500 kilometers (1,200–1,500+ miles) across the Mediterranean.
There is evidence they traded as far north as Britain and Scandinavia, also.
To bring this back to Atlantis, we have evidence of this trade with Mycenean Greece and these areas. Atlantis would be trading, roughly, in the same geographic area. Where is the evidence of its trading partners? I'm not asking for evidence of Atlantis. I'm asking for the evidence of the other civilizations it would be trading with, who exist in these same areas.
The distance from Mycenae (northeastern Peloponnese, Greece) to Troy (northwestern Asia Minor, modern Turkey) is approximately 300–400 nautical miles.
The maritime distance from Mycenaean Greece (Peloponnese) to the southern Iberian Peninsula (Spain) in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1625–1150 BC) spanned approximately 2,000–2,500 kilometers (1,200–1,500+ miles) across the Mediterranean.
There is evidence they traded as far north as Britain and Scandinavia, also.
To bring this back to Atlantis, we have evidence of this trade with Mycenean Greece and these areas. Atlantis would be trading, roughly, in the same geographic area. Where is the evidence of its trading partners? I'm not asking for evidence of Atlantis. I'm asking for the evidence of the other civilizations it would be trading with, who exist in these same areas.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:42 am to AlterEd
quote:
A piece of land surrounded by water.
The amount of water is the problem you're having.
They were not talking about land-locked areas with a river around it. These areas existed in their knowledge base and were not islands.
This is Crete
This is Cyprus
Here are the Greek Islands
Notice a pattern?
Now apply that pattern to your theory of Atlantis. How would that fit?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Let's put this into a single visual aid for you.
This guy is wrong in every way and will continue to argue because he cannot help himself.
You said you would be willing to wager that the Greek definition somehow excludes the possibility of it meaning a piece of land surrounded on all sides by water.
This guy is wrong in every way and will continue to argue because he cannot help himself.
You said you would be willing to wager that the Greek definition somehow excludes the possibility of it meaning a piece of land surrounded on all sides by water.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 8:46 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
back a little bit.
We’re not talking congruent with the pyramids or even a few hundred years before. We’re talking as much as 5000 + years. That’s not a little bit.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:49 am to AlterEd
Look at the examples given.
I even provided you pictures
I even provided you pictures
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Look at the examples given.
Look at the frickin definition and learn to read.
"I would be willing to wager the definition excludes that possibility even."
Here's a "picture for you."
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, dumbass.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:58 am to AlterEd
The source cited is atlantis.fyi
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:01 am to 308
Sure, you can visit but you have to take a connecting flight through Lemuria.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
You're a frickin clown, man.
"No Greek would call a piece of land surrounded on all sides by water an 'island'. That is beyond silly."
That's literally what you said. And you couldn't be more wrong. Their definition for island is precisely the same as ours is today. Even for inland islands. As I have shown.
So yes, they would have called the Richat Structure an "island."
"No Greek would call a piece of land surrounded on all sides by water an 'island'. That is beyond silly."
That's literally what you said. And you couldn't be more wrong. Their definition for island is precisely the same as ours is today. Even for inland islands. As I have shown.
So yes, they would have called the Richat Structure an "island."
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:04 am to Saint Alfonzo
quote:
Lemuria.
Ah, an educated man.
Plebs focus on Atlantis.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No, I was referencing Plato's dialogues, not the Iliad, fyi.
Homer, yes.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:25 am to NC_Tigah
Plato's concept of Troy is based on Homer/The Illiad pretty much exclusively
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:37 am to 308
Things change. When growing up I was told modern humans were around 40,000 years old. Today? It's said to be 300,000. What were we doing in those 260,000 years?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:53 am to 308
It’s a relic of the future; we are living in the past
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:54 am to Friendly Satan
What edibles do you use?
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