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ShoeBang
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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I disbelieved as a child. I am one, as they say, that was created unable to believe things on faith


Yup, same here. Some of my earliest memories are of me sitting in religion class or church looking around thinking "do all these adults really believe this?" If I would have know what bull shite was, that's wat I would have called it. Later in life I tried like hell to believe, because I needed something to believe in due to tragedies in my life, and I still couldn't do it.


PrivatePublic
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Member since Nov 2012
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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However, saying that god does not willingly allow the deaths of innocents, or that the grief and strife left in the wake of their death is all part of some "plan" is not comforting in the least, to anyone.


So are you more comforted by the thought that tragedy is random? That your life can be humming along just fine, then by random chance it is snuffed out and that's the end of the line for eternity? Does that thought bring you peace?


GeauxTigerTM
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2006
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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So are you more comforted by the thought that tragedy is random?


Would it make it better if tragedy was planned?

Yes, from my perspective, the fact that bad things can happen to good people due to random chance is a far better situation in which to live than assuming we're all pieces on a board being played by a being who decides who faces tragedies and who does not. Having to answer the "whys" of that system is how you get such responses such as "mysterious ways" for legitimate questions.

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That your life can be humming along just fine, then by random chance it is snuffed out and that's the end of the line for eternity? Does that thought bring you peace?


You come to terms with it, because it's likely the truth. Believing something because it gives you peace, rather than because you believe it to be true, has never made any sense to me.


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ShoeBang
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since May 2012
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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So are you more comforted by the thought that tragedy is random?


Actually yes. Makes it impersonal. Better than believing that the MS13 member who is busy stabbing you to death is doing it because of some master scheme by an almighty that created you only to be stabbed to death at the end.

Or what about believing that god allowed you to conceive, gestate and bear a child, only to have them stricken with brain cancer at age 2 and die. Part. Of. The. Plan? Yeah I don't wanna be with that plan personally. Also don't wanna hear that it is free will and "evil" that causes those things. If I was taught right in 14 years of Catholic indoctrination, God is omnipresent and all powerful. If he did not allow suffering, it would not exist. If he did not create evil, he sure as frick made a ton of room for it on the tableau he calls "the universe".

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That your life can be humming along just fine, then by random chance it is snuffed out and that's the end of the line for eternity? Does that thought bring you peace?


While never completely suicidal, the thought of not ever existing or ceasing to exist was a very comforting thought over the years. I deal with clinical depression and have 3 family members that killed themselves, one who drank himself to death and one who is on the way.

If Yahweh actually exists, he's a giant dickhead. No one asked to be here, yet if we don't follow his rules, we go to eternal torture.

But in all actuality, the chances that one group got it "right" in regards to the existence and nature of God is so small that I'll take my chances.


GeauxTigerTM
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Member since Sep 2006
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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Or what about believing that god allowed you to conceive, gestate and bear a child, only to have them stricken with brain cancer at age 2 and die. Part. Of. The. Plan?


At some point the answers to questions like this do just sound like random chance reworded. If in the end good things happened to bad people, bad things happened to good people, and sometimes karma seemed to actually work and prayers for healing are answered positively sometimes and negatively others, etc...and yet you still ascribe it all to the creator's plan, what you're describing is randomness. It's just that you've decided to add the creator where one is not needed in order to get the machine up and running. It seems an unnecessary step to me.


KLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
7671 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
I'm sure its real
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SirWinston
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PDX
Member since Jul 2014
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
This is one of the plots from Pillars of the Earth


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Skeet Mc
LSU Fan
Member since Dec 2006
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
Greek Orthodox Church? I assume John Georges will buy the portrait and turn it into a rag just like his other well publicized purchases.


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chRxis
New Orleans Saints Fan
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
i never knew Mary was a Texas fan...


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GetCocky11
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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So are you more comforted by the thought that tragedy is random? That your life can be humming along just fine, then by random chance it is snuffed out and that's the end of the line for eternity? Does that thought bring you peace?


It does actually.

Our entire existence is because of randomness.


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Joshjrn
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Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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So are you more comforted by the thought that tragedy is random? That your life can be humming along just fine, then by random chance it is snuffed out and that's the end of the line for eternity? Does that thought bring you peace?


Yes, actually. The alternatives are fricking horrific.


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Zephyrius
LSU Fan
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
5455 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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Our entire existence is because of randomness.

Why do you hate science?



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AUveritas
Auburn Fan
Member since Aug 2013
2074 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
Ah, the "God doesn't do things the way I would so He doesn't exist" argument. How is that proof He doesn't exist again? I forget the logic and science of that argument.


blueboy
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2006
37983 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
It truly saddens me that I live in a world where multitudes of my fellow humans buy into this shite and shite like it. It reminds me that we will always live in a world ruled by overlords and their made up bull shite.

The Abrahamic faiths are the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity.

'Virgin Mary grilled cheese' sold for $28,000


AUveritas
Auburn Fan
Member since Aug 2013
2074 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
Actually, 20th century atheism has been far worse for humanity. The body count proves it.


Breauxsif
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Member since May 2012
6775 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
Crying over all the shooting deaths.


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Chitown_Badger
Wisconsin Fan
A one drink walk from Wrigley
Member since May 2013
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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That would bring tears to any eye in Chicago.


Not necessarily
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Sidicous
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Member since Aug 2015
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
I'd be crying too if I was stuck forever in Chicago.


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Chitown_Badger
Wisconsin Fan
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Member since May 2013
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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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Someone got shot


I just checked in as safe on Facebook.


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paul from louisville
Longwood Fan
Manaus
Member since Sep 2019
64 posts

re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
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Member when God would do things like send plagues of frogs


like the locusts in las vegas last month? you realise that would have absolutely be considered a "plague" had it happened before news/internet/commonsense/iqs being above 80



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