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re: Virgin Mary painting shows 'tears' at Chicago church
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:40 am to member12
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:40 am to member12
If you actually even remotely believe this is some real miracle and not the church creating an elaborate hoax to bring awareness to a bankrupt church, then you are a very, very dumb individual.
This post was edited on 9/10/19 at 11:42 am
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:43 am to ShoeBang
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But ask yourself: do you want to worship a god that allows evil? A god that allows innocents to die for literally no reason?
I was once told here, by a poster who still posts all the time, that god allowed my older sister to be injured in a car accident at 20, and slowly over the course of the next 39 years suffer daily as she slowly withered away...because it would be a good thing for me. In his mind, his god thought so little of people as individuals that he'd use one in such a petty, tormented way to make another one stronger?
The thought is repugnant.
But again, that's not evidence for the nonexistence of anything, other than sense and compassion in those that would believe such things.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 11:46 am to BurningHeart
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Same. Gives creedance to the theory that belief in God is partially genetic.
In a way, I liken it to belief in Santa. We were given that story as children, saw "proof" of it under the tree each year, and thus believed the story we were given completely. As we aged, most of us began to question certain pieces of it and our parents confirmed it wasn't true. But, if our parents and everyone around us would have continued the ruse, many of us would still swear that fat man broke into our houses every year.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:27 pm to oldcharlie8
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She might be crying because her son allows 1 year olds to have leukemia.
At what age and respecting what disease is Jesus off the hook? Five years? Fifteen? Sixty-five? Is it because it's someone's son? Because it's leukemia? What if it's someone's sixty-five year old Grammie dying of cancer?
You'll cut Jesus some slack when there's no leukemia for anyone ever? No cancer for anyone ever? No car wrecks ever? No death for anyone ever? Facts are, you're reaching for reasons to reject Christ and mock Christians.
I'm not a big advocate of paying a lot of attention to weeping Madonnas or bleeding Crucifixes. Ultimately they're distractions and do little or nothing to add to the essential facts of Christianity expressed in the Apostles, Nicean, and Athanasian Creeds.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:28 pm to member12
Why is it always tears????
Why not snot?
Why not snot?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:38 pm to Tom Thumb
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
Thomas Aquinas
Thomas Aquinas
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:41 pm to SEClint
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Why not snot?
It's the mother of god, baw. She doesn't ugly cry.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:53 pm to SeeeeK
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not how it works, and i'm a non practicing person
well if the world is going to end in 12 years. so either god wants his little human experiment to end (as he had originally planned it to) in 12 years or he is very unconcerned with and indifferent to the possibility that it might. right?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 12:57 pm to member12
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:03 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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it wasn't true
???
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:07 pm to member12
This is wonder.
So there is a higher power that can make a picture of Mary cry blood, but it can't save the church from foreclosure?
So there is a higher power that can make a picture of Mary cry blood, but it can't save the church from foreclosure?
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:12 pm to oldcharlie8
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She might be crying because her son allows 1 year olds to have leukemia.
free will bro. We're eradicating ourselves, God didn't have anything to do with that one. He's a diety, not the tooth fairy or a genie in a lamp.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:14 pm to ShoeBang
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Love this one. Also never said that. But ask yourself: do you want to worship a god that allows evil?
Let's start here. What, objectively, is evil?
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A god that allows innocents to die for literally no reason?
Just because you don't know or understand a reason doesn't mean there isn't one.
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He is either a neutral party doing frick all, or he is actively involved in perpetuating the world as we see it, not improving it.
See my previous point and my original contention you're arguing about.
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That's essentially (obv not 100%) what has happened after Jesus took that big elevator to the sky if we are to believe the bible.
That's not what the Bible says at all. Also, thanks to Christianity, we have universities, hospitals, scientific breakthroughs (Big Bang, genetics, etc.) Doesn't sound like your premise at all.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:14 pm to Pangelingua
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
Thomas Aquinas
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With regard to heretics two points must be observed: one, on their own side; the other, on the side of the Church. On their own side there is the sin, whereby they deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much graver matter to corrupt the faith which quickens the soul, than to forge money, which supports temporal life. Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death.
Thomas Aquinas
I think this quote better describes why I'm not fan of Aquinas and why the nonbelievers have every right to be concerned, even after all these years. This is what the faithful looked like when they had the power to behave however they wanted...
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:57 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I think this quote better describes why I'm not fan of Aquinas
It shows a lack of perspective and restraint and is troubling. It seems to me that Aquinas was ignoring St. Paul's clear teaching that the State wielded the sword to punish criminals. Christians exist as subjects/citizens within a framework of an organized society/government/kingdom. Within in it; we're not it. Christ's Kingdom is a heavenly one of the mind, heart, soul, and conscience. The State is owed our obedience and prayers. Where and when it promotes and encourages evil we owe it our prayers and our protests through all legal means and measures.
Within Christ's Kingdom excommunication is a legitimate corrective. Execution can never be justified or excused.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 1:59 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I believe you have much more issues than just with Aquinas. You can't worship God and self at the same time.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 2:16 pm to Tom Thumb
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If you actually even remotely believe this is some real miracle and not the church creating an elaborate hoax to bring awareness to a bankrupt church, then you are a very, very dumb individual.
Its like when there is a natural disaster and sometimes you hear a story that comes out of it that a whole area was destroyed, but the one thing that remained "untouched" was a statue of Mary or Jesus..
I know it gives people something to feel good about and it might strengthen their faith in a time when it is much needed, but why would a higher power save a statue and leave people homeless or with half of their home torn to pieces and save the statue? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 2:24 pm to Pangelingua
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I believe you have much more issues than just with Aquinas.
So...is that a direct deflection of his suggestion that heretics be killed? Any thoughts on Tommy's viewpoint there?
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You can't worship God and self at the same time.
I worship neither. I don't worship gods because I don't think they exist and have no reason to think they do. If I did think they existed, I'd likely still not worship them...though if I did it would be under duress.
I don't even know what you mean by worshiping self.
Posted on 9/10/19 at 3:09 pm to member12
Of course she's crying. She's in Chicago
Posted on 9/10/19 at 4:02 pm to Pangelingua
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible
Yeah I like your quote, I’m catholic and have plenty of faith myself. But if you believe this painting is “crying” then you are an extremely stupid individual who’s faith is overtaking their common sense. Does your “faith” tell you to believe that paintings can cry?
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