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re: VIDEO: Florida woman kills man. . .over WalMart parking space. NSFW Could be SYG or murder

Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:32 am to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26997 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:32 am to
The first aggressive action was road rage.

The second aggressive action was him approaching her afterwards.

This is getting repetitive.

And you argue that he has a legal right to aggressively approach her.

This is getting insane that you continue this line of debate.
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18831 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:36 am to
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The first aggressive action was road rage.


I must’ve missed road rage.

What happened other than he was parked across multiple spots and they argued about it?

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The second aggressive action was him approaching her afterwards.


It looks to me like he approached her after she pulled a gun. Is that not correct?

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And you argue that he has a legal right to aggressively approach her.


If she pulled a gun after a simple disagreement over a parking spot? Absolutely. He has a right to protect himself.

Maybe he threatened her first and then she pulled the gun? For her sake, I hope so.

Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
1887 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:41 am to
So, when do we riot? Oh wait, never mind.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26997 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:43 am to
There was a road rage incident in the parking lot.

He left the spot and parked far away. After parking, he approached her spot.

You may have never heard of violence after road rage. It occurs when one person leaves their car and walks to the other person. Even though the incident was done (she was in 1 spot and he was in a separate one).

I have a firearm in my vehicle. It isnt so I can take it inside stores. It is in the event that someone approaches my vehicle. There is a pattern of violence in America that starts with road rage and escalates when someone "aggressively approaches" afterward.

When he approached, she didn't shoot him. As a matter of fact, she retreated around a car. And he continued pursuit.

Is there a reason why you either ignore or debate anything above?

If she was malicious, she would have shot him at the first approach.
That isn't what happened. He literally (and in your terms) aggressively pursued her.

Maybe he is a dumb arse like you and thought he had a legal right to assault her like that.
He got shot because he fricked around and found out.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131208 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:44 am to
She went into her vehicle. She emerged gun drawn. Literally the second she did that, she became the aggressor. She’s going to jail.
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18831 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:48 am to
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He left the spot and parked far away. After parking, he approached her spot.


If true, and there’s a legit road rage incident prior, then she’s justified.
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 10:52 am
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18831 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 10:53 am to
Sonny is saying that they had a road rage incident prior, and then the guy approached the woman after, and that’s what caused her to pull her weapon.

Unsure if any of that is true other than her pulling her weapon and him approaching her after.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
108625 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 11:12 am to
Not guilty.
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
5162 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 11:19 am to
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he had a legal right to assault her like that.

He never touched her. No assault. Aggressively approaching someone while unarmed does not qualify for Florida SYG. In fact, she is likely the initial aggressor because she stepped out of her vehicle openly displaying a gun.
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18831 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 11:24 am to
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In fact, she is likely the initial aggressor because she stepped out of her vehicle openly displaying a gun.


He can’t seem to comprehend that possibility.

Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10894 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 11:33 am to
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There was a road rage incident in the parking lot.


Are you talking about the parking spot dispute? Or was there something earlier and the parking spot was a continuation?

During the road rage incident who was raging?Do you have link to this?

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He left the spot and parked far away. After parking, he approached her spot.
Others have said he actually parked nearby and just out of view of the original camera view most have seen? If he parked far away it would make even less sense that she would exit vehicle with gun drawn for purely self defense purposes as she was close to the building (which was likely part of the dispute over the parking spot).
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30903 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 11:50 am to
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He never touched her. No assault.


Everybody is a lawyer, but typically 90% of internet lawyers get the basic definition of assault mixed up with battery.
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
5162 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:05 pm to
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Everybody is a lawyer, but typically 90% of internet lawyers get the basic definition of assault mixed up with battery.

When was the last time you read about someone being charged with assault because of words? It's rare because of free speech concerns.

Assault and battery are charged together so much that in layman's terms most people think of assault as battery.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30903 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:15 pm to
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When was the last time you read about someone being charged with assault because of words? It's rare because of free speech concerns.



All the fricking time. In law, words have meaning; precision is important.
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18831 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:16 pm to
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When was the last time you read about someone being charged with assault because of words? It's rare because of free speech concerns.


It’s not just about words. Brandishing a gun can be a form of assault
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
5162 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 12:35 pm to
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In law, words have meaning

When combined with action. Words on their own is not charged "all the fricking time" because of free speech concerns.
Posted by SpartanSoul
Member since Aug 2016
3413 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

There was a road rage incident in the parking lot.


We still don't know all of the facts except that he blocked her and then moved. We don't know if there was anything happening before the clips we see. She could be the one raging.

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He left the spot and parked far away. After parking, he approached her spot.


He had to approach her spot to get to the store from where he parked. Also, she exited the vehicle with the weapon before he arrived. He also seemed to be going past her, but she is saying something to him and then takes steps towards him with the weapon drawn.


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I have a firearm in my vehicle. It isnt so I can take it inside stores. It is in the event that someone approaches my vehicle. There is a pattern of violence in America that starts with road rage and escalates when someone "aggressively approaches" afterward.


Then you had better be smart about using it. She did not have to exit the vehicle with weapon drawn if she was afraid of what you speak of.

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When he approached, she didn't shoot him. As a matter of fact, she retreated around a car. And he continued pursuit.


Means nothing at all, especially if she can't articulate why she exited the vehicle with the weapon drawn. She could be considered the aggressor from the point she left the vehicle with the weapon.

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If she was malicious, she would have shot him at the first approach.


Not necessarily, she could have been working her nerve up, trying to bait him etc.

Remember, this is in a public space, and they both have a right to be there no matter which was in the right over the parking spot dispute. You can't just pull a firearm and claim a certain amount of space because you had an argument over a parking space. Involving a firearm in a verbal dispute that had ended, remember he went and parked elsewhere and she pulled the weapon while he wasn't there, is escalation and she may be able to explain why she exited the vehicle with the gun but maybe not, we need to know more details and audio or witness accounts of what was said.



Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30903 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 1:48 pm to
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In law, words have meaning

When combined with action.


WTF are you talking about? In law, words have meaning; assault is a term of art. Again, precision in language is important in law.

Simple assault is charged without a battery charge all the time across the US. There is no issues with the 1A as long as the speech meets the criteria for a credible threat etc. Where did you go to law school?
Posted by Gator5220
Member since Aug 2010
5162 posts
Posted on 7/4/26 at 2:08 pm to
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In law, words have meaning

Again, you can be charged with verbal assault, but courts have made it clear that verbal assault by itself requires a very high bar to convict because of free speech concerns. It's why verbal assault often times never makes it to a jury.

He was unarmed, so if he verbally threatened her (which we don't know), he was unarmed and did not have the ability to immediately follow through and act on the threat.

In Florida, it doesn't meet the requirements for SYG. She was in her car and had the ability to avoid the incident altogether by staying in or car or driving away and calling the cops. Instead, she stepped out of her car with a gun. When he walked towards her, she retreated. But when he retreated she moved towards him.

If she felt there was imminent bodily harm that required deadly force, why exit your vehicle? Why advance on him when he retreated?

She's going to have to answer these questions.
This post was edited on 7/4/26 at 2:11 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48126 posts
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:56 am to
New info according to abc the man went into the store and the woman waited for him to come out before she got out with the gun. She is cooked

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