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re: US mainland invasion in WWII - was there ever a chance?
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:41 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:New York City,, where that pic represents less than 1 % of the population and many traveled from other places for the event
. held in Madison Square Garden in 1939. Remind me again where it’s located?
South ( Texas esp) and the midwest had large German immigration centers, yes German Americans also lived in NY, Philly BOston, but were a smaller percentage of the total population compared to Chicago, Milliwaukee and Brenham
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Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:53 pm to Armytiger87
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This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:56 pm to OWLFAN86
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New York City,, where that pic represents less than 1 % of the population and many traveled from other places for the event
New York was the bastion of what little Nazi support there was in the US prior to WWII. That rally was held in New York from members of the German American Bund that had chapters in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania.
As for the south and Texas supporting the Nazis, that’s laughable. There was no serious organized support for Germany. Outside of New York the closest thing to real support from any organized substantial group was in California from a group called the Silver Shirts.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:59 pm to Darth_Vader
Would have to stage in Mexico and come up through the Midwest to cut the country in half. But we would have bombed the shite out of them in their Mexican staging grounds and eliminated the threat
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:00 pm to Armytiger87
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:07 pm to El Magnifico
To answer the OP, it would have been absolutely impossible for any country then (or now) to invade the US. Just the logistics requirements alone to support a sufficient force to invade the US is beyond the capabilities of any country other than, well, the US.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:46 pm to Armytiger87
No chance, unless England fell and Russia was sitting on the sidelines. Even still, the Germans would have lost big time. Even with subpar infrastructure and inferior subs, the US had so much tactical advantage in sea and ground warfare - assuming Mexico, Canada, Panama, most of the Caribbean, and Brazil are still allies.
Taking on Russia was a major mistake if complete control over Europe and the med was the goal. I think basically he wanted another Roman Empire. They should have taken everything except Russia, the UK, and the neutral states first. Then you take the UK. Then the neutral states. Then Western Russia.
The nightmare situation is of course, if Hitler had not failed to utilize "Jewish science" happening in his own country. Anything goes there, I guess.
Taking on Russia was a major mistake if complete control over Europe and the med was the goal. I think basically he wanted another Roman Empire. They should have taken everything except Russia, the UK, and the neutral states first. Then you take the UK. Then the neutral states. Then Western Russia.
The nightmare situation is of course, if Hitler had not failed to utilize "Jewish science" happening in his own country. Anything goes there, I guess.
This post was edited on 6/11/19 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/11/19 at 10:50 pm to ExtraGravy
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Germany's seems less clear to me at least, but Hitler's main aim was to dominate the European mainland and force Britain to make peace with him, so his aims for war with America were probably something similar to Japan's. He would have been happy to knock out enough US shipping to stop us from resupplying Britain long enough to make Britain sue for peace.
Hitler had a vague long term vision of Germany conquering the world, but expanding beyond Eurasia would be left to future generations. He believed perpetual conflict would be necessary to keep the Germanic race from stagnating.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:08 pm to BeepNode
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The nightmare situation is of course, if Hitler had not failed to utilize "Jewish science" happening in his own country. Anything goes there, I guess
They were, as you say, handicapped by the exodus (SWIDT?) of Jewish scientists, who promptly began working on an American weapon. However, Germany did have a nuclear program (two competing ones, to be exact). Given enough time, they would have developed a bomb of their own. And they were way, way ahead of us in missile technology. They could have lobbed volleys of missiles at us while we struggled to deliver a few weapons via transatlantic bomber.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:26 pm to AlonsoWDC
frick France
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:11 am to Armytiger87
Maybe if
Germany defeated Russia and Britain
Japan took midway, all of the Middle East, and Australia
Italy just was Italy
Then the axis would control Europe, Asia, and Australia. Then they could have started a systematic conquest in South America and worked their way into Central America.
Then it would have been us and Canada
Germany defeated Russia and Britain
Japan took midway, all of the Middle East, and Australia
Italy just was Italy
Then the axis would control Europe, Asia, and Australia. Then they could have started a systematic conquest in South America and worked their way into Central America.
Then it would have been us and Canada
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:15 am to Armytiger87
No
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:16 am to Collegedropout
Da fuq is wrong with you, Mel Gibson?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:34 am to beerJeep
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If it’s weren’t for the US, the brits and frenchies would be speaking Russian and munching black bread.
FIFY
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:50 am to Dizz
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I don't think there was ever a real shot during WWII minus Germany getting multiple atomic weapons
They still would have needed to deliver them. They would have needed a base to take off from within range, and a airframe that could deliver them.
A B29 had two bomb bays, each bay just big enough for one Fatman bomb. During the mission to Nagasaki the second bay held a reserve fuel tank.
Each Fatman bomb weighted over 10,000 lbs. The B-29 could only carry that much at reduced combat radius (hence the reserve fuel tank). To keep the bomb’s weight from seriously reducing the bombers range all armor and most of the defensive armament was removed. The silverplated bombers also used fuel injected versions of the Wright Cyclone engine to increase thrust. This improved engine would become the standard design after the war.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 8:09 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:59 am to OMLandshark
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There’s only one place in Canada I think the Germans would have struck and it’s Newfoundland. Canada has even worse geography and weather than we do, so I don’t find it feasible.
I agree. I don't recall where I read it - and I may be wrong - that more than a few South American countries were neutral/aligned with the Axis but did nothing. Now, lets say there was a double squeeze from Mexico way and Canada? Still wouldn't have succeeded but probably made life much more interesting...and maybe that would have been better than an outright invasion - to draw resources?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:59 am to Armytiger87
How about this...would we be speaking German as a second language because it would displace English as the language of business/commerce?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:05 am to BoardReader
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it would have been on the back end of the Japanese occupation of Kiksu and Attu, as a limited occupation of mainland Alaskan territory. It counts, even if its only marginally the mainland.
They also bombed Dutch Harbor, which is technically an island but close enough to the mainland.
The fighting on the Islands was overshadowed by Guadalcanal and then Midway. But the fighting on Attu was some of the most fierce of WWII. One Bonzai Charge ended up with the deaths of over 2,000 Japanese.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:13 am to Armytiger87
Well, Hitler wasn't the greatest military strategist the world has ever known, so it's not out of the question he may have considered it, down the road.
It's a known fact that Germany approached Mexico in WW1 about the possibility of launching a southern invasion of the US from their soil (They tipped the US off about it). With Hitler becoming the loose cannon that he did, I suppose anything was on the table, in WW2.
That certainly doesn't mean it would have been successful.
It's a known fact that Germany approached Mexico in WW1 about the possibility of launching a southern invasion of the US from their soil (They tipped the US off about it). With Hitler becoming the loose cannon that he did, I suppose anything was on the table, in WW2.
That certainly doesn't mean it would have been successful.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:28 am to jackmanusc
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"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
Abraham Lincoln 1838
Point me to the nearest wall to run through.
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