re: US mainland invasion in WWII - was there ever a chance?

Absolutely no chance.

Germany never even considered it an option due to their small surface fleet while only a tiny radical minority within the IJN thought it even a possibility. Neither Germany or Japan thought they could conquer the United States. The goal for the Japanese from the outset was to get us to the negotiating table from a position of undeniable strength. The more rational high command officers thought they'd only have a window of about 6-12 months to do it in once hostilities were declared.

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white genocide now

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including beating us to the punch in the development of atomic weapons.

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In this case, I’m not so sure

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Unlikely, but assuming the fall of Britain, the US would have had to occupy Canada to prevent it from being used as a springboard.

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There’s only one place in Canada I think the Germans would have struck and it’s Newfoundland. Canada has even worse geography and weather than we do, so I don’t find it feasible.

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thats the thing of it, right? The three chokepoints work in reverse as well. So you cut those off just in case and basically isolate the invasion to the western half of the country. Thats just a lot of damn coast to protect back then too.

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But the supply lines work in the Americans favor and they will destroy them by the time the Japanese get close to them. They can be supplied from East to West by air, but the Japanese can’t do the same. They’ll destroy every rail behind them so the Japanese can’t be healthily be resupplied. They wouldn’t make it to fricking Bakersfield.

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Dellybelly82

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Enjoy your permanent ban. Don’t forget your tiki torch.

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There’s only one place in Canada I think the Germans would have struck and it’s Newfoundland. Canada has even worse geography and weather than we do, so I don’t find it feasible.

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What I'm talking about is a collaborationist Canadian government allowing German troops and bases. Clearly a risk the US couldn't afford to take.

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I don’t know why people say this. In reality, if America didn’t intervene in the war, the Nazis would have still lost and a Red wave would have swept over all of Europe. Apparently not many Americans are aware that after December 1941, the Germans were mainly fighting a defensive war in the Eastern Front

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Incorrect. The Germans were still very much fighting an offensive war until their failed summer offensive of 1943, which was greatly impacted by the American and British landings in Sicily.

An absence of American intervention absolutely casts a great deal of doubt on the outcome of the conflict. Especially if we remove American Lend-Lease aid to the Soviets. The Soviets were completely incapable of attacking German infrastructure and impacting their wartime production and economy. The Americans and British were striking the German economy and infrastructure mercilessly for many years. The Luftwaffe was forced to expend enormous resources combating Western air power. These were assets that the Germans vitally needed on the Eastern Front.

Also, a map of Europe prior to WWII versus following WWII illustrates that the war dramatically contributed to the spread of Communism across both Europe and Asia. It also resulted in the collapse of the long standing global order of Western Civilization, the effects of which we are still directly experiencing today. The British and French Empires collapsed and the power and influence of both states evaporated, requiring the United States to assume the roll of global hegemon and forever changed the fundamental character of the United States domestically and internationally, for better or worse.

It was not a stunner that the West and Soviets immediately became locked in an existential conflict in which peaceful coexistence was impossible. This was the inevitable result of the Soviet Union having power and influence, which the course of events in WWII were directly responsible for.

I don’t think German or Japan could have successfully occupied USA, Russia, or China. Too many people to control and too much land to patrol.

Also the US has the 2nd amendment. So even if the Japanese and Germans joined up and attacked the mainland after Pearl Harbor they would not have gotten very far. Think about how many trained WW1 vets and 15-60 year old males would have had a rifle ready to frick shite up the first squad of enemy troops rolled into town.