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Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:21 pm to biglego
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:21 pm to chRxis
You know what would be great for humanity? Muslim extermination.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:27 pm to Scruffy
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What should do about the issue “now”?
for as long as man has walked the Earth, damn near, there has been fighting over religious beliefs... you think there is a solution to that? unless religion ceases to be a "thing", that's not about to stop...
however, to curtail and pretty much stop it, Islam would have to step up against their own, much like Christianity did... but as long as the majority of believers are the minority voice, don't expect that to happen...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:29 pm to chRxis
quote:Exactly.
however, to curtail and pretty much stop it, Islam would have to step up against their own, much like Christianity did.
That should be at the forefront of the discussion, not comments like “all religions have done this at some point in time”.
Islam needs its version of a reformation.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:32 pm to beerJeep
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Trying to equate things that happened hundreds of years ago to acts that are still carried out today is not only asinine, it’s borderline insane.
so if a Holocaust happened in 2019, would it be worse than the one that happened in WW2?
how does the fundamental fact that killing another human being for their religious beliefs differing from your own become subjective, determined by the timeframe of when the killing occurred?
they are both objectively wrong... there is no subjectivism to be had in that fact... both are against the very nature of each's religious core beliefs and teachings... both are so far removed from what the very nature of their religion believes that it's a shame that any of it has or does happen, at all...
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:34 pm to TigerStripes06
Unfortunately, any religion than tries to be suppressed thrives more than ever when that happens. Sure if it could be extinguished totally, perfect. But that won’t happen and will only grow exponentially as a result. Research Christianity, Muslims, Hinduism, etc. Anything people can’t have only makes them want it
more. It’s unfortunate but it’s also human nature. Christianity for instance in other Marxist countries in the past thrived like never before when they were trying to be extinguished permanently. It’s human nature to have what you can’t have, no matter how disgusting it is. Now, on the other hand, look at Christianity today.
more. It’s unfortunate but it’s also human nature. Christianity for instance in other Marxist countries in the past thrived like never before when they were trying to be extinguished permanently. It’s human nature to have what you can’t have, no matter how disgusting it is. Now, on the other hand, look at Christianity today.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:34 pm to Scruffy
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Islam needs its version of a reformation.
absolutely... i needs a purge, but from the inside out, not the other way around... the problem is the moderates are so afraid of speaking out against the Islamist/extremist, and becoming known as an apostate, they are unwilling to do anything... they may hope for change, and sincerely mean it, but hope without action is utterly futile, especially given the situation...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:35 pm to chRxis
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so if a Holocaust happened in 2019, would it better worse than the one that happened in WW2?
Eh, the Holocaust wasn't carried out in the name of religion. It was a sectarian undertaking.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:38 pm to chRxis
quote:Yes, because we would all be alive to experience it.
so if a Holocaust happened in 2019, would it be worse than the one that happened in WW2?
An event we experienced ourselves is far worse FOR US than one you read about in history books.
There is a huge difference between the two. That doesn’t mean that you don’t learn from the past though.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:39 pm to upgrayedd
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Eh, the Holocaust wasn't carried out in the name of religion. It was a sectarian undertaking.
Well, it was a sectarian dictator trying to eradicate one religion. I would count it as a religious murder.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:40 pm to chRxis
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so if a Holocaust happened in 2019, would it be worse than the one that happened in WW2?
Yes. Chances are more would die as we have a larger population today than in the 1940s.
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how does the fundamental fact that killing another human being for their religious beliefs differing from your own become subjective, determined by the timeframe of when the killing occurred?
Because what is acceptable in a modern society is vastly different than what was acceptable in society 400 years ago.
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they are both objectively wrong... there is no subjectivism to be had in that fact... both are against the very nature of each's religious core beliefs and teachings... both are so far removed from what the very nature of their religion believes that it's a shame that any of it has or does happen, at all...
And one of these two religions went through a reformation, the other is still stuck in the past.
But but but muh Christians killed Muslims in the crusadeeeesssss.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:41 pm to chRxis
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look, at the end of the day, they've all been wrong at some point, of doing wrong against others, in the name of their religion... that's just the facts... no matter how long ago, no matter the length of time, it doesn't make one "more wrong" than the other... they are all guilty of egregious acts committed in the name of their respective religion, no matter how you try to clean it up....
Nobody is arguing what's "more wrong".
"But the Crusades" is such a tired meaningless argument used by people who are scared to be labeled "Islamaphobic".
It's like saying we need to be just as cautious of North American Protestants as we are of Boko Haram, ya know because of those Salem witch trials.
We're talking present day, and there happens to be one particular religion that is currently committing atrocities around the world on a regular basis in the name of their religious beliefs.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:41 pm to upgrayedd
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Eh, the Holocaust wasn't carried out in the name of religion. It was a sectarian undertaking.
missing the point... indiscriminate mass murder is wrong, no matter when it happened, that's what i'm trying to get at... religiously motivated or not...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:42 pm to East Coast Band
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Well, it was a sectarian dictator trying to eradicate one religion. I would count it as a religious murder.
I'm saying it wasn't carried out in the name of one religion over another. It was sectarian violence against a specific religion.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:46 pm to TigerStripes06
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You know what would be great for humanity? Muslim extermination.
So we can out you down as "in favor" of the mosque shootings in New Zealand?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:47 pm to upgrayedd
This thread:
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:48 pm to rintintin
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"But the Crusades" is such a tired meaningless argument used by people who are scared to be labeled "Islamaphobic".
no, it's just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all... to sit here and condemn any other religion, regardless of when the atrocities take place, when your own belief system has committed very similar atrocities in the past, is ridiculous.... yes, Christianity has stepped up and policed their own about shite like this, and i can only hope the same happens for Islam...
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It's like saying we need to be just as cautious of North American Protestants as we are of Boko Haram, ya know because of those Salem witch trials.
i think society, by and large, should be cautious of ALL religious extremists... regardless of what religious movement they come from...
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there happens to be one particular religion that is currently committing atrocities around the world on a regular basis in the name of their religious beliefs.
yes, i agree.... and like i've said, at least 2 times now, it's atrocious and needs to be stopped, by Islam itself...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:53 pm to chRxis
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no, it's just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
Not hypocritical at all. We live in a modern society with modern beliefs and laws.
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sit here and condemn any other religion, regardless of when the atrocities take place, when your own belief system has committed very similar atrocities in the past, is ridiculous..
No it isn’t. We don’t judge our ancestors by today’s moral standards.
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yes, Christianity has stepped up and policed their own about shite like this, and i can only hope the same happens for Islam...
“Hope” “change” “progress”
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i think society, by and large, should be cautious of ALL religious extremists... regardless of what religious movement they come from...
Or, you know, we can focus on the ones who actually carry out terror attacks. Westboro isn’t a threat at all. The order of the dragon isn’t bombing mosques.
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yes, i agree.... and like i've said, at least 2 times now, it's atrocious and needs to be stopped, by Islam itself...
All the while still trying to equate modern problems with Islam to problems hundreds of years ago in Christianity.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:53 pm to chRxis
quote:But, in the end, it is irrelevant to the conversation.
no, it's just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all... to sit here and condemn any other religion, regardless of when the atrocities take place, when your own belief system has committed very similar atrocities in the past, is ridiculous.
If we hold to that standard, no one can ever criticize anyone or any group because another group at some point in time did the same thing.
quote:Which is why it is both irrelevant and not hypocritical, unless the groups that are critical are STILL performing those actions and are not critical of them now.
yes, Christianity has stepped up and policed their own about shite like this, and i can only hope the same happens for Islam...
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