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re: UPDATE: At least 290 people are dead in terrorist attacks in Sri Lanka this morning...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:30 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:30 pm to beerJeep
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Say it with me.
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Lighten
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again, did the 10 commandments not read "thou shall not murder" back then? is that some relatively new concept?
i know it sounds crazy to hold believers of a religious view to their actual religious beliefs, but yeah, i do...
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:31 pm to chRxis
quote:Such a dumb take.
, it's just pointing out the hypocrisy of it all... to sit here and condemn any other religion, regardless of when the atrocities take place, when your own belief system has committed very similar atrocities in the past,
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:31 pm to chRxis
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again, did the 10 commandments not read "thou shall not murder" back then? is that some relatively new concept?
What constitutes “murder”?
Just killing =/= murder
Again, are you unable to differentiate modern morals from the morals of the past?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:36 pm to beerJeep
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Again, are you unable to differentiate modern morals from the morals of the past?
no, i know that society, as we learn and become more knowledgeable, our morality tends to shift towards a betterment of that society... i'd love to see the entirety of civilization adhere to the golden rule, but alas, here we are...
but are you saying that the 10 commandments were taken as subjective, by the collective, of Christianity?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:38 pm to beerJeep
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Just killing =/= murder
you seriously think that all the Crusades and Christians killing others was totally justified? you aren't being serious right now, are you?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:44 pm to chRxis
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but are you saying that the 10 commandments were taken as subjective, by the collective, of Christianity?
Well, for one, “murder” isn’t in the 10 commandments. Secondly, where the frick did you jump to that conclusion from?
I honestly think you don’t understand how big of a role religion played in the Middle Ages and during the crusades. It wasn’t some “oh I’m a Christian” and go to church on Easter and Christmas like it is today.
The commoners saw the religious leaders as an extension of god And their word was gods word. If your religious leader said “we must purge our lands of the infidels” they took that as the word of god.
You say you understand the difference in morals and personal choice etc between modern humans and those of the Middle Ages, but I’ve yet to see a single post of yours that backs that up. All I see is proof that you’re spewing shite out of your arse in regards to the topic at hand.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:45 pm to chRxis
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you seriously think that all the Crusades and Christians killing others was totally justified? you aren't being serious right now, are you?
To them, at the time, absolutely it was justified. They were told “by god” to kill the infidels and free the holy land.
Your inability to see this just proves that you don’t understand
Just like today, to the Muslims, they are following God’s orders to kill the infidels.
The difference being the modern world has gone through the enlightenment that shows how incorrect that belief path is. The modern world believes that murder in the name of god is wrong. The modern world doesn’t believe or support in mass religious murder.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:46 pm to chRxis
The goal of the Crusades was entirely justified. The Seljuk Turks were within months of taking down the Byzantine Empire. If Eastern Christianity fell, it's a good bet that Western Christianity would follow in a few generations. When Pope Urban II called the First Crusade in 1095, it came after over 400 years of Islamic aggression against Europe as well as Christendom.
Bad things happen in war and some of the men who went off to the Holy Land to crusade were terrible human beings. But I feel as if the bad events that occurred during the Crusades are sometimes overblown by modern scholarship to make the Catholic Church look bad. It wasn't until the Enlightenment period that you finally saw literature being published AGAINST the Crusades.
Bad things happen in war and some of the men who went off to the Holy Land to crusade were terrible human beings. But I feel as if the bad events that occurred during the Crusades are sometimes overblown by modern scholarship to make the Catholic Church look bad. It wasn't until the Enlightenment period that you finally saw literature being published AGAINST the Crusades.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:48 pm to beerJeep
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If your religious leader said “we must purge our lands of the infidels” they took that as the word of god.
sounds like that of extreme Muslim terrorists, today...
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You say you understand the difference in morals and personal choice etc between modern humans and those of the Middle Ages, but I’ve yet to see a single post of yours that backs that up
because on the issue of murder, you know, unjustified killing, it's not subjective, morally speaking, independent of the time at hand... back then, it was the same as now...
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Well, for one, “murder” isn’t in the 10 commandments.
umm... yeah, it is... #6
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:52 pm to chRxis
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sounds like that of extreme Muslim terrorists, today...
No shite. The difference being modern morals go completely against this. The morals of the past didn’t. Why? Because the humans in the past were largely ignorant and had an entirely different world view than we do.
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because on the issue of murder, you know, unjustified killing, it's not subjective, morally speaking, independent of the time at hand... back then, it was the same as now...
Buuurrrrrpt wrong. Is your a-hole sore yet? I think ima need to go pop a viagra to keep pounding your a-hole this hard.
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Umm... yeah, it is... #6
Thou shalt not kill
You were saying? Kill=/= murder.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:52 pm to chRxis
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missing the point... indiscriminate mass murder is wrong, no matter when it happened, that's what i'm trying to get at... religiously motivated or not...
I don't think anyone is refuting that. Just saying that wholesale murder in the name of religion is only being carried out by one religion in the 21st century
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:53 pm to chRxis
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but you were facetiously downplaying the whole Crusades, and even now, you are saying that because they happened so long ago, it's not as bad as what's currently going on in Islam... i'm saying they are both bad, regardless of timeframe...
The crusades were a response to 400 years of islamic aggression. They were wars for territory and to protect pilgrims. Of course they were bloody, they were melee combat.
How any intellectually honest man can compare the crusades to current truck of peace, ied, bataclan style attacks on unrelated civilians, I don’t know.
Maybe we do need some modern Vlads or Winged Hussars
Winged Hussars
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:54 pm to chRxis
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indiscriminate mass murder is wrong, no matter when it happened, that's what i'm trying to get at... religiously motivated or not...
The Crusades weren't mass murder. They were military conflicts between two warring groups of people attempting to take control of land in the Middle East. As in all wars that came before and after, there were atrocities committed on both sides.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:55 pm to fr33manator
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Winged Hussars
AND THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED
COMING DOWN THEY TURNED THE TIDE
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:55 pm to chRxis
To me, a major problem is that these were coordinated terror attacks.
When the brothers set off two bombs at the end of the Boston Marathon it was (maybe) two brothers acting alone.
This time, it was ?7 and maybe more if there were some that malfunctioned. And they were all over the country, not just in Columbo. That requires major planning of terror. And a tight chain of command or word would have gotten out.
They were successful mass murderers.
May they very slowly rot in hell
When the brothers set off two bombs at the end of the Boston Marathon it was (maybe) two brothers acting alone.
This time, it was ?7 and maybe more if there were some that malfunctioned. And they were all over the country, not just in Columbo. That requires major planning of terror. And a tight chain of command or word would have gotten out.
They were successful mass murderers.
May they very slowly rot in hell
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:57 pm to beerJeep
They are dropping a new song tomorrow
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:58 pm to fr33manator
They have some solid songs. There’s just something about wars and heavy metal that just kicks arse
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:59 pm to RollTide1987
It is inevitable that Europe and other areas will be having a marked increase in religious violence now that unchecked immigration has been allowed for years. More bombings, suicide attacks and break down of the social order. We are watching the crumbling of the West in real time.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:02 pm to beerJeep
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Buuurrrrrpt wrong. Is your a-hole sore yet? I think ima need to go pop a viagra to keep pounding your a-hole this hard.
i don't think you understand the whole concept of objective vs. subjective...
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Thou shalt not kill
You were saying? Kill=/= murder.
that makes it even more rigid a commandment, and less justifiable... not sure where you are going with this...
Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:04 pm to chRxis
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don't think you understand the whole concept of objective vs. subjective...
And I don’t think you understand the difference in morals and just cause between the modern day and the Middle Ages.
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that makes it even more rigid a commandment, and less justifiable... not sure where you are going with this...
Not when “god” tells you it’s justified.
It’s almost like you aren’t paying attention.
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