- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: UPDATE 265 Class Liftboat capsizes . New survivor story. Page 77
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:48 pm to Bigfishchoupique
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:48 pm to Bigfishchoupique
0
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:51 pm to Ol boy
quote:
Are you a commercial diver? Have you ever been involved in planning commercial dive jobs? If not then sit back captain lazyboy!!
Your talking about commercial divers who are as salty as they come who get off on doing difficult things in the complete darkness and high current. This is not just a simple job the wave action alone at the depth they are working will be like being in a washing machine, couple that with we don’t know what the status of the vessel is!! It may be about to topple over, where’s the crane at is it about to turn loose amongst the wreckage??!!
and what if the waves take us into the barge and we have to pull away real hard and we drag a diver out the door he just went in and kill him!!??
That’s what they are dealing with right now and that’s why they haven’t jumped!
You make it sound so easy
Why aren’t they doing more???
They need more robots ROV’s and drones and helicopters.
We need more press conferences
I need to know now dammit!!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:57 pm to Ol boy
quote:
where’s the crane at is it about to turn loose amongst the wreckage??!!
Exactly. You can imagine the bent up and twisted shite.
The washing machine description is spot on, the waves and current beating up under the hull against the cabin. Twisted stairways,ladders. Deck equipment and cargo hanging upside down still tied or halfway tied down.Hanging cables,lines,hoses.
Bent bulkheads.doors,etc. Thats just to get inside. We not even talking about entering the boat yet. And it is as dark as can be.
Any divers that go in need the best chance to get out. They just don’t have an open door to swim through.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:59 pm to tgrbaitn08
UPDATE
Summary:"We’ve spoken with USCG and the Dive Crew just recently, and have gathered as much info as possible. It may seem like not much as been done, but after listening, a lot makes sense. The dive team gathered a plan together today, and have found the entrances which they will be going in."
Still don't understand why they aren't diving 24/7 given the situation honestly. Have we even addressed hypothermia concerns on top of oxygen supply?
Summary:"We’ve spoken with USCG and the Dive Crew just recently, and have gathered as much info as possible. It may seem like not much as been done, but after listening, a lot makes sense. The dive team gathered a plan together today, and have found the entrances which they will be going in."
Still don't understand why they aren't diving 24/7 given the situation honestly. Have we even addressed hypothermia concerns on top of oxygen supply?
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:05 pm to Bigfishchoupique
The hull is sitting above water and you ninnies are constantly screeching about divers and advocating throwing hammers. Advocate for more.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:07 pm to tigerfanatic61
If I were new on the scene, I would find it hard to sleep knowing there are men possibly fading out in there.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:09 pm to Bigfishchoupique
quote:
Can you tell I’m from Houma?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:10 pm to tigerfanatic61
quote:
Have we even addressed hypothermia concerns on top of oxygen supply?
I don't think we're at hypothermia versus dehydration yet. Maybe, but I really think the salt water immersion and dehydration limits their expected survival endurance at this temperature range. And either one, frankly, could kick in before they run out of air, depending on how much breathable air is in there.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:10 pm to Athanatos
so they obviously don’t really know where they are, but do you off shore guys think they’re in the hull which someone said is out of the water?
Any gut instincts??
Any gut instincts??
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:14 pm to Meauxjeaux
This is very specialized stuff. Cajun Navy style ad hoc efforts have their place, but it's not in a technical rescue scenario. Getting other people killed won't help anyone still alive inside.
If a bunch of baws had just tied a rope around their waist and blundered into that Thailand cave, they'd still be inside there along with the kids.
If a bunch of baws had just tied a rope around their waist and blundered into that Thailand cave, they'd still be inside there along with the kids.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:15 pm to Athanatos
Son
I am not a ninnie.I am a coonass. Just like most of the men on that boat I would venture.
they got a bunch of coonasses trying to get to them.
They just can’t pop hole with torches randomly..
I could explain why,but you would have to do the understanding on your own.
I’m going to bed. See y’all at 4:00 AM.
I am not a ninnie.I am a coonass. Just like most of the men on that boat I would venture.
they got a bunch of coonasses trying to get to them.
They just can’t pop hole with torches randomly..
I could explain why,but you would have to do the understanding on your own.
I’m going to bed. See y’all at 4:00 AM.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 3:29 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:17 pm to Athanatos
quote:
The hull is sitting above water and you ninnies are constantly screeching about divers and advocating throwing hammers. Advocate for more.
The section of the hull that is above the water line is nothing but a ballast tank. It’s an air tight compartment. Even if they were to cut a hole in that corner they would have a long way to go. That little corner you see sticking out is just a compartment surrounded by bulkheads.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:24 pm to tiger91
quote:
they obviously don’t really know where they are, but do you off shore guys think they’re in the hull which someone said is out of the water?
Go look through the first couple pages of the thread there is a CAD of the vessel showing how it’s oriented inthe water and what’s visible.
The front half of the barge will be bulkheads for ballast and fuel more than likely. May have a acess walk way but I’m not sure. Depending on the contents of the hull the air may be helping in keeping the vessel upright and punching a hole would cause it to sink.
But what do we know we just a bunch of ninnies
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
I didn’t say to cut in the hull at that location , or even at all, but being able to access the vessel directly above water has implications for how you can gain access. I’m assuming that by now the rescuers have the 3-d models of the hull and accommodation spaces and have a plan for where they think men could be found and how those spaces can be accessed.
Those bulkheads frequently have hatches with removable bolts.
Those bulkheads frequently have hatches with removable bolts.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:29 pm to tiger91
quote:
Any gut instincts??
I think that if they thought these guys were alive, they wouldn’t be waiting til 7am to start diving. There are probably more dive boats currently within 10miles of the Power than within 10 miles of anywhere else on the planet, and no one is diving on it now. Of course, I am hoping for a miracle like everyone else.
The part of the hull out of water would be virtually inaccessible under the conditions that flipped the boat.
If these guys are alive, my guess is air pocket that is currently below waterline.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:43 pm to Athanatos
quote:
Those bulkheads frequently have hatches with removable bolts.
Those waterproof steel doors are welded to the bulkheads.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:59 pm to tigerfanatic61
quote:
Summary:"We’ve spoken with USCG and the Dive Crew just recently, and have gathered as much info as possible. It may seem like not much as been done, but after listening, a lot makes sense. The dive team gathered a plan together today, and have found the entrances which they will be going in." Still don't understand why they aren't diving 24/7 given the situation honestly. Have we even addressed hypothermia concerns on top of oxygen supply?
I get everyone thinks what happens in this movie is real, but it’s real CGI. Those boys go into rough situations, saving lives is their mission in life. Rescue swimmer/divers are some of the bravest guys out there, so don’t blame them. If there was any way to make it inside, they’d already be in there. They signed up to constantly risk their lives to save others. While brave, they are highly trained and very calculated. These guys won’t just jump into a death trap, because they are no good to anyone if they go down too. I agree it feels like forever, but we DON’T know the situation they are facing. This isn’t a shipwreck in clear water that has stabilized and 3D maps are compete. This is a VERY technical and dangerous mission they will have to repeat multiple times to rescue and/or recover those guys. If it’s a rescue, they probably have one chance to get it right. I pray for all involved and hope for a positive outcome.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:01 am to Bigfishchoupique
quote:
Boy oh boy you have your hands full of “tete dure’s ” today. I just caught up on the thread.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:15 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Why aren’t they doing more???
They need more robots ROV’s and drones and helicopters.
Your post might be sarcasm but.... I've worked with all of them. I know my shite because I've been involved with almost every aspect of operations in the gulf.
Not being a smart arse either.ROVS aren't built for shallow water. A working class ROV is made for deep water. We talking 1/2 mile to 2 miles deep. You get a mini ROV in there and the current will do what what it wants to it. No control.
Commercial divers are tethered. They have 300ft of dive hose with oxygen and coms to the vessel. You can't send a diver with flippers and a tank there. He won't make it due to seas and current and ask him what the situation is down there.
If they have divers, they're commercial and they'll figure out the best possible option to get in there and retrieve the people inside. They can cut through the hull if they need but I doubt that's what they'll do because they risk flooding the air pockets if anyone is alive.
I'm not trying to tell you you're a dumbass either. You aren't, there are a few in this thread that have no idea what they're talking about.
If it's still rough those divers can't go because they risk not getting that person back even though he's tethered. I saw a diver almost lose his life in calm water, because his hose got pinched. Serious shite. I have tons of experience out there. Those divers will get to those guys without a doubt but you can't jeopardize their lives. They didn't sign up for search and rescue. They signed up for inspection and construction. There's no training for that. Let's hope everyone on board that boat is still alive and waiting on help because if the seas are decent, and I'm not taking 1ft seas, those divers will find a way to help them.
Nothing can happen quick if the conditions aren't favorable. They can dive in rough seas but it has to be manageable to get them back. Those guys can't dive in 8ft seas, it's too dangerous.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 12:17 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 1:14 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
ommercial divers are tethered. They have 300ft of dive hose with oxygen and coms to the vessel
I feel this may be where the break down is coming from. I don’t think some realize this is not SCUBA. When commercial divers go into the water they are still connected to the dive vessel.
When this boat went over things are not gonna fall neatly, secured, and in their place. There will be rigging, tools, and other equipment all over the place to get hung up on. Let’s not forget about those cranes.
It would be like blindfolding yourself, and trying to pull a garden hose through a maze you’ve never seen before. One hang/pinch of the umbilical in the wrong spot, and now you’re one of those being recovered.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 2:20 am
Page 36 of 78
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News