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re: UPDATE 265 Class Liftboat capsizes . New survivor story. Page 77
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:34 pm to saintsfan1977
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:34 pm to saintsfan1977
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They preach that safety bullshite but it all goes out the window when it comes to production and cost. I've seen it too many times.
Thats changing these days. Slowly but surely.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:35 pm to saintsfan1977
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They preach that safety bullshite but it all goes out the window when it comes to production and cost. I've seen it too many times.
I wish I had the money wasted in 1 day out in the GOM. My great grandkids couldn't spend it all.
I've seen it too. You are definitely a veteran because you speak the truth. Glad you got out.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:37 pm to gizmothepug
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The 2nd time I ever went in the gulf I had to swing rope
I just watched some videos, and frick all that. Y'all baws can have my turn. I don't swim that great, and I sure can't drink all that water. Respect to anyone doing that on a regular basis.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Thats changing these days. Slowly but surely.
With the majors yes but with smaller companies no. It's still shite & will be shite as long as there are investors above & shitty company men pushing guys so that they can get early project completion bonuses.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:38 pm to RebelExpress38
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Video: Moment divers find man alive in sunken ship off Nigerian coast
Damn, that is incredible. I can't imagine what was going through the diver's head at that time much less the man being rescued.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:40 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Thats changing these days. Slowly but surely.
Where?
I really hate to say it but that statement is more true than ever over the past year. Even more so since 2015...Its all a pencil whipping act! Outside of majors, whom are still guilty, but slightly better cutting safety corners for costs savings/more revenue are more or less guaranteed everywhere.
EDIT: As stated above on the shelf, which is the vast majority of operations in the GOM, most companies are owned by bean counter investment groups. Bottom line is what matters to them. New, cheaper company men are frankly just not qualified and/or they have one company man doing the job of 3-4 guys of years past.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:41 pm to BigBrod81
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With the majors yes but with smaller companies no. It's still shite & will be shite as long as there are investors above & shitty company men pushing guys so that they can get early project completion bonuses.
SEACOR didnt do itself many favors when they bought all these lift boats and bailed out MONTOCO..being a public company and cash strapped.....the marine division is and has been hurting for the past few years. They are a shell of their former selves
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:41 pm to tigerfanatic61
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I really hate to say it but that statement is more true than ever over the past year. Even more so since 2015...Its all a pencil whipping act! Outside of majors, whom are still guilty, but slightly better cutting safety corners for costs savings/more revenue are more or less guarenteed everywhere.
This is the goddamn truth.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:42 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Possibly the guys were off watch sleeping in their bunk rooms..
Just leaving out? They wouldn't have started shifts yet.
Worked on a 400 class off the coast of Angola from 2013 to 2016. Things always got hairy when we had to jack down, pull legs and go to another location. I was always uncomfortable until the legs were set and ballast loaded on the next spot.
Fun fact: the jack-up I was on was named Honor. It was the first jack-up that Transocean commissioned after the Deepwater Horizon incident. When you came down from the helipad a plaque greeted you with a description of the incident and all eleven guy's names. Every year on the anniversary of the incident, down to the minute, 11 wreaths are thrown overboard in remembrance.
If they called today for me to go back tomorrow, I wouldn't even hesitate.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:43 pm to Pfft
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When you swing rope and you watch the boat drop down and then rise and the props come out of the water just a few yards in front of you is crazy and exhilarating.
Timing is everything. I've seen a grown man cry that he couldn't do it. It took everything to get this man to swing and we had to grab him because he almost fell short.
Or get on a man basket and the wind is blowing so hard you become a sail Lmao. How many times that basket rammed us into the side of the boat or a piece of equipment I don't even know.
When we salvaged the Rowan rig, it was all Norwegian crew. We all got to swim in the gulf after work. That's the only time we were ever allowed in it. We'd take the Sars boat and test it every week, that was fun.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:44 pm to tigerfanatic61
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Where?
I really hate to say it but that statement is more true than ever over the past year
Is it a cultural issue? I came on the fire service early 2000s and people were still bitching and at the time even refused to wear SCBAs in a house fire. The department had them since the freaking 70s and we all thought those guys were just retarded because we were trained to use them but that’s no longer an issue in most departments nowadays
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:47 pm to windshieldman
Regardless of what they say, quite frankly, true safety culture has just NEVER latched on and stuck in the oilfield. Too much downward pressure to get the job done or next man/company up.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:49 pm to tigerfanatic61
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EDIT: As stated above one the shelf, which is the vast majority of operations in the GOM, most companies are owned by bean counter investment groups. Bottom line is what matters to them. New, cheaper company men are frankly just not qualified and/or they have one company man doing the job of 3-4 guys of years past.
I have had Superentindents that have worked for me claim they and their crew will not work for some of the current independents. They have loaded their shite and drug up never to return, granted they were older and financially better suited to make those kinds of descions.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:54 pm to tigerfanatic61
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true safety culture has just NEVER latched on and stuck in the oilfield by some of the smaller independents
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:55 pm to Ol boy
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I have had Superentindents that have worked for me claim they and their crew will not work for some of the current independents. They have loaded their shite and drug up never to return, granted they were older and financially better suited to make those kinds of descions.
I used to see older supervisors with balls do this all the time. Haven't seen it that much over the past few years but it's refreshing to know that there are honorable leaders of men still out there.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:55 pm to saintsfan1977
My first job out in the Gulf made me experienced in all facets of Offshore travel. I helicoptered in, took the field bird to the satellites, got grounded from the weather and had to crew boat back (add 2 hours), had to swing from the boat in what felt like 20 foot seas (because the crane operator was eating), and man basket from the boat to the platform on a different day.
Offshore is not for the weak minded sometimes.
Offshore is not for the weak minded sometimes.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:59 pm to tigerfanatic61
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Regardless of what they say, quite frankly, true safety culture has just NEVER latched on and stuck in the oilfield. Too much downward pressure to get the job done or next man/company up.
I've been in & out a project here in 2021 where the oil company we are contracted to knows & has it documented that there's lead in the paint on the facility from previous work being done there. Guys were told a bold face lie that there isn't lead in the paint & have been cutting & welding on this lead based paint for months. I currently have a piece of scrap from this location that I'm about to send off to be sampled but I already have a good idea what the test results will say.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:02 pm to BigBrod81
So maybe I am not looking at it right, but it does not appear that the guy in the picture being pulled on to the Coast Guard ship is wearing a PFD? In a situation like that would a PFD be mandatory ?, would most be wearing one?
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:03 pm to GeauxTigers0107
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true safety culture has just NEVER latched on and stuck in the oilfield by some of the smaller independents
I appreciate you're correction and while generally speaking in a deepwater environment I will agree with it, when it comes to operating on the shelf I vastly disagree. Most majors no longer actively operate on the shelf other than some boomerang properties from bankruptcies of years past (which are mostly being decommissioned) so I am basing on my experience there.
They are absolutely just as negligent as any independent operator out there on the shelf.
EDIT: I really feel bad bashing our industry for this but its just true. I am balls deep in the oilfield and will hopefully be part of the group leading change throughout my career. But if were being honest, while we did make some strides, we've gone backwards since '15.
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:05 pm to tigerfanatic61
I'm so glad I have an office type job.
Thankful for all of you here & elsewhere who DO do these dangerous jobs.
Thankful for all of you here & elsewhere who DO do these dangerous jobs.
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