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re: United's dragged passenger hires high-powered Chicago personal injury lawyer
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:32 pm to teke184
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:32 pm to teke184
More Tom-frickery from United.
United passenger threatened with handcuffs to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler
It’s hard to find examples of worse decision-making and customer treatment than United Airlines having a passenger dragged from an overbooked plane. But United’s shabby treatment of Geoff Fearns, including a threat to place him in handcuffs, comes close.
Fearns, 59, is president of TriPacific Capital Advisors, an Irvine investment firm that handles more than half a billion dollars in real estate holdings on behalf of public pension funds. He had to fly to Hawaii last week for a business conference.
Fearns needed to return early so he paid about $1,000 for a full-fare, first-class ticket to Los Angeles. He boarded the aircraft at Lihue Airport on the island of Kauai, took his seat and enjoyed a complimentary glass of orange juice while awaiting takeoff.
Then, as Fearns tells it, a United employee rushed onto the aircraft and informed him that he had to get off the plane.
“I asked why,” he told me. “They said the flight was overfull.”
Fearns, like the doctor at the center of that viral video from Sunday night, held his ground. He was already on the plane, already seated. He shouldn’t have to disembark.
“That’s when they told me they needed the seat for somebody more important who came at the last minute,” Fearns said. “They said they have a priority list and this other person was higher on the list than me.”
Apparently United had some mechanical troubles with the aircraft scheduled to make the flight. So the carrier swapped out that plane with a slightly smaller one with fewer first-class seats.
Suddenly it had more first-class passengers than it knew what to do with. So it turned to its “How to Screw Over Customers” handbook and determined that the one in higher standing — more miles flown, presumably — gets the seat and the other first-class passenger, even though he’s also a member of the frequent-flier program, gets the boot.
“I understand you might bump people because a flight is full,” Fearns said. “But they didn’t say anything at the gate. I was already in the seat. And now they were telling me I had no choice. They said they’d put me in cuffs if they had to.”
You couldn’t make this up if you tried.
It shouldn’t make any difference where a passenger is seated or how much he or she paid for their ticket. But you have to admire the sheer chutzpah of United putting the arm on a full-fare, first-class traveler. If there’s anybody whose business you want to safeguard and cultivate, it’s that person.
So how could United possibly make things worse? Not to worry. This is the airline that knows how to add insult to injury.
A United employee, responding to Fearns’ complaint that he shouldn’t have to miss the flight, compromised by downgrading him to economy class and placing him in the middle seat between a married couple who were in the midst of a nasty fight and refused to be seated next to each other.
“They argued the whole way back,” Fearns recalled. “Nearly six hours. It was a lot of fun.”
Fearns requested a full refund for his flight from Kauai and asked for United to make a $25,000 donation to the charity of his choice. This is how rich guys do it.
He received an email back from a United “corporate customer care specialist” apologizing that Fearns apparently had an unpleasant experience. But, no, forget about a refund.
As for that charitable donation, what are you kidding? A hard no on that.
Instead, the service rep offered to refund Fearns the difference between his first-class ticket and an economy ticket — about a week later, as if that wasn’t the first thing they should do in a situation like this — and to give him a $500 credit for a future trip on the airline.
“Despite the negative experience, we hope to have your continued support,” the rep concluded. “Your business is especially important to us and we'll do our utmost to make your future contacts with United satisfactory in every respect.”
I reached out to United and asked if anyone cared to comment on Fearns’ adventure in corporate catastrophe. No one got back to me.
Julia Underwood, a business professor at Azusa Pacific University, said United’s actions in both the dragged-off-the-plane episode and with Fearns reflect a coldhearted mindset utterly devoid of compassion for customers.
“They’re so locked into their policies, there’s no room for empathy,” she said.
As a result, Underwood said, situations that should be manageable spiral out of control and result in unnecessarily messy PR disasters.
“What United and all companies need to do is to train and empower workers to deal with specific issues as they arise,” she said. “Don’t just follow whatever is written in your policies.”
I couldn’t agree more. United is neck-deep in trouble this week because its workers are clearly out of their depth in handling out-of-the-ordinary events. You have to think someone on the flight crew would have been able to step up, if given the trust and authority to do so by the carrier.
Fearns said three different members of the crew on his middle-seat, economy-class return to L.A. apologized for how he was treated in Hawaii. But they said they were unable to do anything.
He’s now considering a lawsuit against United — and he certainly has the resources to press his case.
I asked if he’ll ever fly United again.
Fearns could only laugh. “Are you kidding?”
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The problem is that the airlines have the ability to have you forcibly removed from the plain and arrested with no questions asked. I agree when you have an unruly passenger like the Hilary supporter a few months ago who was being aggressive towards a Trump supporter they should be removed but to kick someone off the plain because of something the airline could have handled better is messed up.
United passenger threatened with handcuffs to make room for 'higher-priority' traveler
It’s hard to find examples of worse decision-making and customer treatment than United Airlines having a passenger dragged from an overbooked plane. But United’s shabby treatment of Geoff Fearns, including a threat to place him in handcuffs, comes close.
Fearns, 59, is president of TriPacific Capital Advisors, an Irvine investment firm that handles more than half a billion dollars in real estate holdings on behalf of public pension funds. He had to fly to Hawaii last week for a business conference.
Fearns needed to return early so he paid about $1,000 for a full-fare, first-class ticket to Los Angeles. He boarded the aircraft at Lihue Airport on the island of Kauai, took his seat and enjoyed a complimentary glass of orange juice while awaiting takeoff.
Then, as Fearns tells it, a United employee rushed onto the aircraft and informed him that he had to get off the plane.
“I asked why,” he told me. “They said the flight was overfull.”
Fearns, like the doctor at the center of that viral video from Sunday night, held his ground. He was already on the plane, already seated. He shouldn’t have to disembark.
“That’s when they told me they needed the seat for somebody more important who came at the last minute,” Fearns said. “They said they have a priority list and this other person was higher on the list than me.”
Apparently United had some mechanical troubles with the aircraft scheduled to make the flight. So the carrier swapped out that plane with a slightly smaller one with fewer first-class seats.
Suddenly it had more first-class passengers than it knew what to do with. So it turned to its “How to Screw Over Customers” handbook and determined that the one in higher standing — more miles flown, presumably — gets the seat and the other first-class passenger, even though he’s also a member of the frequent-flier program, gets the boot.
“I understand you might bump people because a flight is full,” Fearns said. “But they didn’t say anything at the gate. I was already in the seat. And now they were telling me I had no choice. They said they’d put me in cuffs if they had to.”
You couldn’t make this up if you tried.
It shouldn’t make any difference where a passenger is seated or how much he or she paid for their ticket. But you have to admire the sheer chutzpah of United putting the arm on a full-fare, first-class traveler. If there’s anybody whose business you want to safeguard and cultivate, it’s that person.
So how could United possibly make things worse? Not to worry. This is the airline that knows how to add insult to injury.
A United employee, responding to Fearns’ complaint that he shouldn’t have to miss the flight, compromised by downgrading him to economy class and placing him in the middle seat between a married couple who were in the midst of a nasty fight and refused to be seated next to each other.
“They argued the whole way back,” Fearns recalled. “Nearly six hours. It was a lot of fun.”
Fearns requested a full refund for his flight from Kauai and asked for United to make a $25,000 donation to the charity of his choice. This is how rich guys do it.
He received an email back from a United “corporate customer care specialist” apologizing that Fearns apparently had an unpleasant experience. But, no, forget about a refund.
As for that charitable donation, what are you kidding? A hard no on that.
Instead, the service rep offered to refund Fearns the difference between his first-class ticket and an economy ticket — about a week later, as if that wasn’t the first thing they should do in a situation like this — and to give him a $500 credit for a future trip on the airline.
“Despite the negative experience, we hope to have your continued support,” the rep concluded. “Your business is especially important to us and we'll do our utmost to make your future contacts with United satisfactory in every respect.”
I reached out to United and asked if anyone cared to comment on Fearns’ adventure in corporate catastrophe. No one got back to me.
Julia Underwood, a business professor at Azusa Pacific University, said United’s actions in both the dragged-off-the-plane episode and with Fearns reflect a coldhearted mindset utterly devoid of compassion for customers.
“They’re so locked into their policies, there’s no room for empathy,” she said.
As a result, Underwood said, situations that should be manageable spiral out of control and result in unnecessarily messy PR disasters.
“What United and all companies need to do is to train and empower workers to deal with specific issues as they arise,” she said. “Don’t just follow whatever is written in your policies.”
I couldn’t agree more. United is neck-deep in trouble this week because its workers are clearly out of their depth in handling out-of-the-ordinary events. You have to think someone on the flight crew would have been able to step up, if given the trust and authority to do so by the carrier.
Fearns said three different members of the crew on his middle-seat, economy-class return to L.A. apologized for how he was treated in Hawaii. But they said they were unable to do anything.
He’s now considering a lawsuit against United — and he certainly has the resources to press his case.
I asked if he’ll ever fly United again.
Fearns could only laugh. “Are you kidding?”
[url]LINK [/url]
The problem is that the airlines have the ability to have you forcibly removed from the plain and arrested with no questions asked. I agree when you have an unruly passenger like the Hilary supporter a few months ago who was being aggressive towards a Trump supporter they should be removed but to kick someone off the plain because of something the airline could have handled better is messed up.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:32 pm to teke184
quote:
United's first offer put him in the hospital.
"United Airlines, Fly the Friendly Skies: Arrive as a doctor, leave as a patient."
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:34 pm to stendulkar
So.. while United did frick up.. his actions after actually being deplaned are what caused his face to get beat up.. and that was by Chicago PD, right?
Seems like he's barking up the wrong tree for personal injury..
Seems like he's barking up the wrong tree for personal injury..
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:35 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:Airport security officers, not the Chicago PD is what I've read.
that was by Chicago PD, right?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:36 pm to teke184
quote:
United's first offer put him in the hospital.
the amount of public backlash from this would have provided him with a huge settlement...sure an attorney will get his a larger settlement but will also take more than a 1/3rd
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:37 pm to LSURussian
United Airlines - The beatings will continue until morale improves
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:38 pm to Hulkklogan
United had him ejected on false pretenses of "causing a disturbance".
Since eyewitnesses dispute that, United gets saddled with blame for the cops' actions.
Since eyewitnesses dispute that, United gets saddled with blame for the cops' actions.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:41 pm to stendulkar
Would you accept free flights for life in lieu of multi-million dollar settlement (in which the lawyer probably gets more than half)?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:42 pm to teke184
I heard that the crew that was catching a ride were Delta employees. If so, that's not allowed. United is gonna pay for this frick up.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:02 pm to LSUERDOC
If that is the case then Delta has to be laughing their asses off at this.
United's frickup helped knock the PR disaster of a ton of Delta flights being cancelled recently out of the headlines.
Those flights didnt have flight crews because Atlanta, their fortress hub, had bad weather that grounded a number of flights.
United's frickup helped knock the PR disaster of a ton of Delta flights being cancelled recently out of the headlines.
Those flights didnt have flight crews because Atlanta, their fortress hub, had bad weather that grounded a number of flights.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:04 pm to PrivatePublic
quote:
Sure, but this guy is going to claim millions in injuries, which is equally fricked up.
So?
United's legal teams already leaked out all his criminal history in an effort to make themselves look better...frick the,
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:04 pm to teke184
Both UA and DL use republic crews for their flights so that is entirely possible they were DL flight crews needed for the next morning.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:08 pm to PrivatePublic
quote:bullshite. He has been viewed over 200 million times getting beat up and bloodied.
Sure, but this guy is going to claim millions in injuries, which is equally fricked up.
His family has seen it
His kids
His friends
His life is 100% changed by this event. He deserves to get paid.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:11 pm to LSURussian
"Here at United Airlines we offer both red-eye and black-eye flights."
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:15 pm to LSURussian
United- We dot your eyes and right cross your teeth.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:19 pm to LSUERDOC
quote:This one actually seems unavoidable and a legit reason compared to the current story, though again, doing so after boarding seems like a terrible business strategy even if it's permissable(not sure if it is or isn't)
Apparently United had some mechanical troubles with the aircraft scheduled to make the flight. So the carrier swapped out that plane with a slightly smaller one with fewer first-class seats.
Suddenly it had more first-class passengers than it knew what to do with. So it turned to its “How to Screw Over Customers” handbook and determined that the one in higher standing — more miles flown, presumably — gets the seat and the other first-class passenger, even though he’s also a member of the frequent-flier program, gets the boot.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:20 pm to brass2mouth
quote:uh no...a simple google search revealed his sordid background.
United's legal teams already leaked out all his criminal histor
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:20 pm to BayouNation
quote:How many people are going to spend multiple millions on flights?
Would you accept free flights for life in lieu of multi-million dollar settlement (in which the lawyer probably gets more than half)?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:was he beat up, or was he accidentally injured when he resisted getting out of his seat?
He has been viewed over 200 million times getting beat up and bloodied.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:24 pm to LSURussian
United has a new PR flack.


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