re: United's dragged passenger hires high-powered Chicago personal injury lawyer

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was he beat up, or was he accidentally injured when he resisted getting out of his seat?

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He was bloodied and dragged off an airplane.

That fits my definition of beat up, as it does for most people


ETA: Is United a sponsor of Tigerdroppings?

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He suffered an injury for possibly following his contract by being bloodied and dragged off the plane

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FIFY

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was he beat up, or was he accidentally injured when he resisted getting out of his seat?

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He was accidentally injured when he resisted getting out of his seat.

However, the underlying circumstances lead most of the other passengers, and upon further inspection most of the public, to feel that the police were used as hired goons in a commercial disagreement and NOT uniformed officers called in to resolve the crime of trespassing. Also upon further examination, how United handles these types of commercial disagreements is not in line with how the rest of the aviation community handles it, and as such they made an offer well short of what the air travelling public would consider to be generally acceptable.

It is for this reason most people blame United for what happened, and not the police officers or the passenger. Once the police are involved and are told to get someone off of a plane, they are only doing their job. The passenger is an idiot for trying to resist, but honestly the underlying issues with United and how it plays out are far more interesting to me as a traveler.

Not that the seat was his personal property, but this would be similar to the government declaring "Eminent domain" on your house and determining the market value to be $20, then calling the cops to get you off the property. You'd still be a moron for fighting back at the cops. But the public discussion, blame, and future policy changes should be related to how the government handled the situation.

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He suffered an injury for possibly following his contract by being bloodied and dragged off the plane

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A contract that he agreed to when he bought the ticket and that states you can be bumped from the flight at the discretion of United.

This is a customer service issue not a legal one

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That's cute. I still don't think you know what the word means.

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Neat. Still don't care.

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So these are some new charts they didn't have access to the last 48 hours? Or they just weren't capable of reading these charts before?

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FFS.

Are these really questions you want to ask? I'll let you try again.

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You still running this line?

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Until it's wrong, and it's still not wrong.

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A contract that he agreed to when he bought the ticket and that states you can be bumped from the flight at the discretion of United.

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Does it? Can you show me where? No one has provided that info as of yet.

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United contract of carriage; section 25

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Does it? Can you show me where? No one has provided that info as of y

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This has been going round and round all day. The section you linked is for oversold flights. United has said it was not oversold (or maybe they said overbooked which may mean something different than oversold because someone will want to argue semantics. I don't know but am just telling you what responses have already occurred in this thread and will certainly be the same responses to your post).

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Multiple lawyers have expressed multiple opinions. Harping on this point has no relevance because of that.

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Experts disagreeing on this topic only further proves this issue is nowhere as black and white as you are trying ever so hard to make everyone else believe. But you go ahead and keep on pretending that somehow isn't relevant.

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First, I'm not worried about anything.

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Your multiple posts in this thread and the other threads on this topic indicate otherwise.

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Second, them settling isn't a result of them not having somewhere to stand here.

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Well according to you, they are absolutely in the clear here from a legal standpoint, and the CEO made it perfectly obvious he believes the passenger is solely to blame and didn't care that the masses thought otherwise. So then why would they settle?

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Neat. Still don't care.

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Ok.

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FFS. Are these really questions you want to ask? I'll let you try again.

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Well I'm pretty sure I asked them. That would seem to imply I want them asked. You do know what imply means, right?

Okay, listen up idiots. The airline owns the plane and has the right to determine how many seats are available. Seats get taken out of service all the time for various reasons. If they know before the plane is boarded, great. If you sit down in your seat on a full flight and it breaks beyond fixing, someone is getting off. If you're on a small regional jet fully boarded at the gate and the weather gets bad enough that they need more gas and less people, someone's getting off.

Similarly, if they find out at the very last second that they need 4 seats to get a crew somewhere to prevent a meltdown, the number of seats available for revenue passengers just went down and the flight is now oversold by 4. Someone's getting off.

Who?

Every airline has regs for how to solicit for volunteers and who to choose if you don't get enough. I suspect the minimum wage agent probably followed them to the letter.

At some point someone's getting off, it's in the fine print and if it's not your day and you're not going to be happy.

If you escalate it to the point the police are asking you to get off and you don't comply, you risk the consequences. Airport/airplane security folks typically don't put up with much BS.

Is it possible United could have handled it better? Sure. Do I think they were liable for damages? No? Excessive force by the police? IDK, hard to prove. Will they pay him something to go away? Maybe. Does he deserve anything? Hell no!