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re: United Airlines flew woman to 4800km (dunno the conversion) in the wrong direction

Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104455 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

Maybe Gander in Newfoundland? YQX


That's where a lot of the inbound international flights ended up on 9/11.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

I want to do the flight to Japan that goes over the North Pole.



East coast departures to Japan usually go that route.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76153 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:57 pm to
"On September 11, 2001, with United States airspace closed due to the terrorist attacks, Gander International played host to 38 airliners, totaling 6,122 passengers and 473 crew, as part of Operation Yellow Ribbon."
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1790 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 2:58 pm to
Twin engine airliners are certified for ETOPS "Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards" to fly long distance over water routes.

Left to themselves, the airlines would flight plan a great circle route adjusted to take fullest advantage of jet stream winds.

Due to the high volume of trans-Atlantic traffic, daily "tracks" are published to create traffic lanes which all airlines abide by.

In the Pacific there is not a daily track system, but there are still established routes that we generally follow, again with adjustments for wind/weather.

The flight plan must keep the airplane within a specified flight time based upon aircraft certification from an approved landing airport that can be used in the event of an engine failure.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139226 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:00 pm to
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Her niece had to translate for her, so I would assume her language barrier was her issue, I just don't get what the frick was United's issue

I bet you could tell the difference between a sign that says San Francisco and Paris even if you only spoke French.
Posted by PhillipJFry
Member since Sep 2016
1059 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:01 pm to
What a dumbass. This is her fault on 90% of this. Read the gate, one direction flies over water the other does not.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22333 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 3:25 pm to
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What a dumbass. This is her fault on 90% of this. Read the gate, one direction flies over water the other does not.


she was at the correct gate printed on her boarding pass. UA changed the gate and didn't notify her or make an announcement in french.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:15 pm to
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bet you could tell the difference between a sign that says San Francisco and Paris even if you only spoke French.


I was on United last week. Weather delayed our arrival into Houston. My connection to Lafayette switch gates (alerted via text) 3, yes THREE, times!
I'm a reasonably smart healthy American, in a Houston airport, and I made my flight with 5 minutes to spare.
So, there she is, without French being spoken, trying to figure wtf to do...I can see her issue in trusting THE frickING PEOPLE WHO DO IT FOR A LIVING.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71832 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:39 pm to
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I mean she doesnt speak English. Give the lady a break.



I'd normally agree, but the French are dicks about speaking their language in their country, so frick it.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135033 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:40 pm to
IWNHI
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

I'd normally agree, but the French are dicks about speaking their language in their country

Americans aren't?
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 9:45 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71832 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 9:54 pm to
Definitely. I wouldn't white Knight for an American in Paris getting on a flight to Madrid instead of Atlanta and whining about not getting told in English.
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8335 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:05 am to
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I haven't flown international through Newark. Some airports don't separate the departure gates though.


JFK does not differentiate. I was on a Delta flight to Atlanta in the next gate was a Delta flight to Amsterdam.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139226 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:09 am to
quote:

I was on United last week. Weather delayed our arrival into Houston. My connection to Lafayette switch gates (alerted via text) 3, yes THREE, times!
I'm a reasonably smart healthy American, in a Houston airport, and I made my flight with 5 minutes to spare.
So, there she is, without French being spoken, trying to figure wtf to do...I can see her issue in trusting THE frickING PEOPLE WHO DO IT FOR A LIVING.


So you're telling me that her niece who is allegedly translating for her can't read the sign above the door she's walking through or can't understand the pilot and the flight crew announce multiple times that they're taking everyone to San Francisco? United definitely has some responsibility here but, goddamn, how dumb can you be?
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:21 am to
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goddamn, how dumb can you be?



Dumb enough to be a foreigner and trust professionals and their equipment designed to make sure this never happens...
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139226 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:28 am to
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Dumb enough to be a foreigner and trust professionals and their equipment designed to make sure this never happens...

Like I said UA certainly has blame here. Their scanner should've alerted the gate attendant, but the sign above the door and the multiple destination announcements while on the plane should be more than sufficient.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19902 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 9:33 am to
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So you're telling me that her niece who is allegedly translating for her can't read the sign above the door she's walking through or can't understand the pilot and the flight crew announce multiple times that they're taking everyone to San Francisco?


Was her niece with her?
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Like I said UA certainly has blame here. Their scanner should've alerted the gate attendant, but the sign above the door and the multi Aple destination announcements while on the plane should be more than sufficient.





They carry ALL the blame IMO. Makes you wonder why the green light blinks as you are approved to board upon scanning.
I wear headphones, I go to my flight and I board and sit down and buckle.
Not sure of this lady. But lets be clear, she didn't choose to intentionally go the wrong way.
But NONE of this happens if the employees getting paid to read her pass and the equipment that scans the pass...do their fricking job. There is a reason you don't scan yourself, that's because they want someone there reading the pass as well.
And yes, passenger was clueless.
But lets not forget, even after all of this, the problem was almost fixed when someone was in "her" seat AFTER boarding. And what happens? A THIRD United moron looked at her pass and simply sat her somewhere else!

I mean, how many professionals have to see her pass to realize there's an issue, even after seeing the same seat assigned to 2 people.

My God! This is a wake up call to the industry. Seriously...the scanning equipment is bogus
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23315 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:51 pm to
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French speaker. I guess either very bad or no English.


Not relevant if the sign at the damn boarding gate says SAN FRANCISCO instead of PARIS.
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5422 posts
Posted on 5/9/17 at 12:52 pm to
I don't understand. I can see how they wouldn't read the boarding pass carefully, they look at hundreds or thousands a day. However, when you board the plane they always give an update on where you are going, what the weather will be like and how long the flight is. Did she not pay attention? I would start throwing a fit on the plane and make them let me off. They've always done this before taking off, as far as I can remember.
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