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re: UNH's UnitedHealth CEO shot and killed

Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:17 am to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24206 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:17 am to
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baldona, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think means that hospitals make their entire nut on commercially insured patients. Think United, BCBS, Aetna, Cigna, etc. They break even on Medicare, lose money on Medicaid, and absolutely lose their shorts on uninsured (which they call "Self Pay").


Yes. I'm far from an expert here but I have relatives in healthcare that I've had plenty of long discussions with. That was my original point. Insurance companies are a disaster because they are the only people actually keeping the medical system afloat and are not the majority of patients.

How can we expect that system to work properly? Its a losing battle.

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:17 am to
If he was targeted, you can expect his replacement to demand even more comp plus constant security detail.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57069 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:18 am to
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This guy wants his doctor thinking about the economic strain on the healthcare system at large when making a decision on how to treat him lmao.


You're wrong.

I want my doctor thinking about the economic strain on the healthcare system at large when making a decision on how to treat EVERYONE.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45560 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:19 am to
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You could easily do this by requiring a $100 co-pay to be seen in the ER.


EMTALA


EMTALA just requires a person to be triaged and stabilized. It does not require you to be seen by a doctor in the ER because you have a cough.
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2500 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:19 am to
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The NP was being lazy


You said in a previous post that you supervise him/her, and you *plan to* tell the NP what to do to get the PA approved. Maybe do the supervising and training before calling someone lazy.



Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57069 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:21 am to
Don't worry...he's only an MD that lies sometimes, not all the time and only when it benefits the patient
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45560 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:23 am to
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The patient in my example had tried lifestyle changes


Doubt it


The patient told the NP the he or she had joined a gym and was working out 4 days per week. There was also 23 pounds of documented weight loss over the previous 12 months. So he or she was trying something.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79985 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:23 am to
This thread is a pitiful commentary about many on this board. Someone is murdered and people are acting like the left from the 1990s and 2000s blaming corporate greed, focusing on class like good Marxists and suggesting it's a comeuppance.
Posted by statman34
Member since Feb 2011
3825 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:24 am to
If that picture is all they have of the shooter, good luck finding him.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:25 am to
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Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:26 am to
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Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37053 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:28 am to
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How many of those people can't get a regular doctor because they're either not accepting new patients or they have one and they can't see them for 2-3 weeks?


You sound like someone who looks at the "free" healthcare systems in Canada and the UK and thinks we should do that too.

Just ignoring these kinds of realities of those govt systems:

quote:

The average wait time to see a doctor in Canada is 27.7 weeks, as of 2023, according to the Fraser Institute's annual survey of physicians


In the US, with the continued growth of NPs and PAs, urgent care centers, and things like Teladoc, you never need to wait more than 30-40 minute to see an HCP, unless you choose to.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 10:29 am
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5050 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:31 am to
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But the posts in this thread that appear to tacitly condone murder as a means of avenging class disparities are disturbing.
I don't condone tornadoes and hurricanes, but they happen when the environment increases their probability enough.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:39 am to
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But the posts in this thread that appear to tacitly condone murder as a means of avenging class disparities are disturbing.


I don't condone it.

I'm also not surprised by it.

This country is being pushed to its absolute limits.
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
73081 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:40 am to
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You have worry about copycats.

*They* have to worry about copycats.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216469 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:40 am to
100% correct.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29898 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:54 am to
quote:

This thread is a pitiful commentary about many on this board. Someone is murdered and people are acting like the left from the 1990s and 2000s blaming corporate greed, focusing on class like good Marxists and suggesting it's a comeuppance.


It must be a big fricking problem then if people from the left and right are coming together on this. Reform is badly needed. Unfortunately, the lawmakers who could reform it are too busy being paid off by lobbyists or seeing returns from their insider investments in these companies. The middle class is tired of getting shite on from the classes above and below them.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58201 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:57 am to
Paid off by lobbyists?
Posted by Dr Lecter
Baltimore, MD
Member since Oct 2012
1344 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:00 am to
I’m asking you to name the criminal offense as it would be charged against him. Unethical behavior isn’t grounds for prosecution
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37053 posts
Posted on 12/4/24 at 11:09 am to
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I work in consulting and often focus on healthcare clients


Have you ever told anyone in a final report that they need to "maximize operational efficiency" and does your firm have a "proprietary process" to assess the needs of your clients?

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