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Two previously unknown sermons by St. Augustine of Hippo found in Polish library...
Posted on 7/31/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/31/26 at 2:15 pm
St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430) was a bishop and theologian of the early church, widely regarded to be among the Church's foremost thinkers in biblical exegesis. These previously unknown sermons deal with the troubling passage from 1 Samuel where King Saul visits a medium in Endor just before his death in battle.
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The most striking aspect of the new texts is a hypothesis previously unknown to the Augustinian tradition.
“The most notable element of the new sermons is the idea that Saul, after hearing Samuel’s prophecy, could have repented and been redeemed,” Tornau noted.
According to the researcher, this interpretation has no parallels in either the known works of the bishop of Hippo or in early Christian exegesis, where the figure of Saul is typically portrayed in a decidedly negative light.
In these sermons, St. Augustine seems to suggest that even a figure as controversial as Israel’s first king might have ultimately opened himself to divine grace.
“The idea may be an original invention of Augustine’s, or perhaps he had access — directly or indirectly — to Rabbinic Jewish exegesis, which is far more positive regarding Saul,” the specialist noted.
Be that as it may, Tornau said he believes this interpretation sheds light on a fundamental aspect of Augustinian thought.
“His intellectual independence and his willingness to consider that anyone, even those who seem most wicked, is capable of attaining salvation through the grace of God” is striking, Tornau commented.
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Posted on 7/31/26 at 2:38 pm to RollTide1987
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“The most notable element of the new sermons is the idea that Saul, after hearing Samuel’s prophecy, could have repented and been redeemed,” Tornau noted.
“His intellectual independence and his willingness to consider that anyone, even those who seem most wicked, is capable of attaining salvation through the grace of God” is striking, Tornau commented.
Per the heaven and hell thread, this concept is beyond the grasp of more than a few on the OT.
This post was edited on 7/31/26 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 7/31/26 at 3:11 pm to Cockopotamus
I'm thinking the concept would be summarily rejected on the PT and Augustine denounced as not only a heretic, but a wimp as well.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 3:29 pm to Cockopotamus
The gift is given. You just have to accept it.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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“His intellectual independence and his willingness to consider that anyone, even those who seem most wicked, is capable of attaining salvation through the grace of God” is striking, Tornau commented.
Tornau must not have the same bible that I have.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 3:53 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Doctor of Grace
St. Augustine of Hippo
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:31 pm to Cockopotamus
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that anyone, even those who seem most wicked, is capable of attaining salvation through the grace of God” is striking, Tornau commented.
I don’t see why that is striking. God‘s grace is bottomless if someone were to truly repent from the most horrible lives at the moment of their death they’re saved.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:14 pm to RollTide1987
Augustine introduced a lot of Gnostic garbage into Christian thought. He thought sin was passed on in literal semen.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:19 pm to YouKnowImRight
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He thought sin was passed on in literal semen.
Yeah, this is what Christians call Original Sin. It's passed from parent to offspring like a venereal disease and is cured through the sacrament of Baptism.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:19 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Political experts and theologians, every one of them
I'm thinking the concept would be summarily rejected on the PT and Augustine denounced as not only a heretic, but a wimp as well.
According to them
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:22 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I've shared the thought in a debate on here that God is not limited by time so we in our human understanding have no idea how much God can do in that last moment of life
Posted on 7/31/26 at 11:20 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
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I don’t see why that is striking. God‘s grace is bottomless if someone were to truly repent from the most horrible lives at the moment of their death they’re saved.
I've always seen King Saul as a complicated man that made tough decisions only to be cast aside and written off. We have no account of his, only those that opposed him. Who wouldn't come off as haughty and wrong if your life story was written by those who were your enemies.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 11:35 pm to YouKnowImRight
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sin was passed on in literal semen.
That’s why bad girls are the freaks
Posted on 7/31/26 at 11:40 pm to stuckintexas
Saul's pride and ego vs David's humble trust in God
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:41 am to OWLFAN86
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Saul's pride and ego vs David's humble trust in God
According to the men who wrote it down. We do not know Saul's mental, emotional, nor spiritual state. David wrote his memoirs. So did Samuel. David fought against Saul. Samuel gave specific orders "from God" and then was late to his own party. Where the hell was Samuel when Saul was making his supposed prideful, egotistical decisions? He was nowhere to be found. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Oh, he shows up right when Saul makes the choice that condemns him? Well, would you look at that? Perfect timing to make someone a villain.
And as for David. Infidelity. Murder. Bastard child. Illegal census leading to the deaths of tens of thousands. Yeah, the guy is a masterpiece showcase of humble trust in God. Entitled douche bag that got a slap on the wrist for more egregious sins than Saul got condemned for.

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