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re: Trayvon Martin died on This Day 10 Years Ago
Posted on 2/26/22 at 12:36 pm to 850SaintsGator
Posted on 2/26/22 at 12:36 pm to 850SaintsGator
Enjoy another downvote you NPC
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Posted on 2/26/22 at 12:41 pm to Smeg
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I just want to make sure I understand your logic correctly.
It's "defending yourself" to physically assault someone that is just following you?
It's not "defending yourself" to shoot someone that is actively bashing your head on concrete?
This is the complexity of SYG (i support the law btw) - there were no videos or eye witness accounts so there was no way to dispute GZ’s version and of course, TM could not tell his version of the story. So, it was a really difficult case for the state to prove and as we know, they couldn’t raise it to “beyond reasonable doubt”
So, yea, as you stated earlier, as determined by court of law, is the legal ruling but it doesn’t mean he didn’t murder TM bc we only know one version
Added thoughts:
None of us would be talking about this, if GZ had been a sane person and listened to the 911 operator instead of going all vigilante- i guess that’s why he couldn’t get into police academy?
Of course, flip side- TM would have still been alive if he hadn’t tried to defend himself but that’s a shitty point to make because he actually paid for his poor decision with his life
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/26/22 at 1:16 pm to 850SaintsGator
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if GZ had been a sane person and listened to the 911 operator instead of going all vigilante- i guess that’s why he couldn’t get into police academy?
Of course, flip side- TM would have still been alive if he hadn’t tried to defend himself
Once again, demonstrating your complete lack of understanding for the law.
1. The 911 operator's suggestions were not lawful orders. GZ was under no obligation to follow them. It's no different than me telling you to drive to McDonalds right now and purchase a Big Mac. You don't have to listen to me.
2.) GZ had the legal right to follow someone he thought was acting suspicious. What he did was not breaking the law.
3.) TM had no legal right to physically assault someone just for following him. In fact, by assault GZ, he opened up the legal right for GZ to defend himself.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 1:19 pm to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 2/26/22 at 1:38 pm to Smeg
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1. The 911 operator's suggestions were not lawful orders. GZ was under no obligation to follow them. It's no different than me telling you to drive to McDonalds right now and purchase a Big Mac. You don't have to listen to me.
No where did I state that GZ broke the law by ignoring the 911 operator- he should have listened to her bc that was fork in the road - continue to follow and we know the outcome - one dead person - choose to not follow, as suggested, and all the chaos probably is avoided
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3.) TM had no legal right to physically assault someone just for following him. In fact, by assault GZ, he opened up the legal right for GZ to defend himself.
TM has the right to defend himself if he felt threatened….and again, we don’t know the full facts bc only one lived (and no video/eye witness accounts) so yeah GZ had the SYG rights once TM tried to protect himself. This is philosophical issue with SYG - at the moment of death- what if both people felt they had the right to defend themselves.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 3:26 pm to Amadeo
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Here's a link for those interested. Apologies if already posted.
To F*ck a Mockingbird.
Thanks! Just watched this. This is f'd up. Everyone involved in that hoax should be arrested.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 3:57 pm to 850SaintsGator
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TM has the right to defend himself if he felt threatened
That is really not how that works. Feeling threatened is not license to attack someone. I get you saying that we only have one side of the story, but if you are suggesting that the known version of events justified TM attacking GZ first, then that doesn’t hold water.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:05 pm to 850SaintsGator
850 gtfo with your take. GZ was innocent end of story now you can go watch some more of your MSM.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:12 pm to pioneerbasketball
Violent juvenile attacks man doing neighborhood watch and juvenile gets justice.
What is the problem?
What is the problem?
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:13 pm to 850SaintsGator
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None of us would be talking about this, if GZ had been a sane person and listened to the 911 operator instead of going all vigilante-
Several things:
-So, you're citizen watch shaming now? We tell citizens to get involved; yet, when they do we blame them for being a victim of felony battery?
-Since when did a dispatcher's admonitions equal a binding directive? I work with police dispatchers every day. Trust me, they don't always have the best grasp on the situation, to be kind.
-How many distortions of the facts are you going to rack up just in this one thread?
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:19 pm to 850SaintsGator
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what if both people felt they had the right to defend themselves.
One person was "being followed". This does not warrant deadly force.
One person was actively having their head slammed into concrete. This does warrant deadly force.
Do you understand the difference?
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:23 pm to 850SaintsGator
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he should have listened to her bc that was fork in the road - continue to follow and we know the outcome
Why do you assign the "fork in the road" downstream of the actual fork?
Maybe if TM wasn't casing houses to rob, then GZ wouldn't have noticed him and followed him. *That* was the act that actually started the whole thing.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:30 pm to Crimson K
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That is really not how that works. Feeling threatened is not license to attack someone. I get you saying that we only have one side of the story, but if you are suggesting that the known version of events justified TM attacking GZ first, then that doesn’t hold water.
You are getting my point- I’m not suggesting that the known version of events justified TM - I’m saying, we don’t literally don’t know why TM attacked…did GZ say he had a gun? We know GZ has threatened a few people with a gun? Did TM know? Not know?
SYG cases are hard to disprove w/o video or eye witness accounts
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:44 pm to Smeg
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Why do you assign the "fork in the road" downstream of the actual fork?
Maybe if TM wasn't casing houses to rob, then GZ wouldn't have noticed him and followed him. *That* was the act that actually started the whole thing.
Was he casing townhomes (it wasn’t houses) to rob? I lived in the same media market of Sanford and I’ve never ever heard that/ he was walking back to the home he was staying with after getting skittles- tea from 7-Eleven
Also, again, we all know TM made more than one life ending decision - he paid dearly for attacking GZ, for waiting until dark to be getting snacks etc so, yeah, i moved the fork upstream but tons of forks downstream could be used - we also know that GZ had the opportunity to check down …but he got to live so it wasn’t life ending for him
Posted on 2/26/22 at 4:48 pm to 850SaintsGator
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he paid dearly for attacking GZ, for waiting until dark to be getting snacks
Posted on 2/26/22 at 5:13 pm to pioneerbasketball
Never heard of her.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 6:04 pm to 850SaintsGator
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eye witness accounts so there was no way to dispute GZ’s version
There were eye-witness accounts, as well as solid forensic evidence that supported GZ's account.
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None of us would be talking about this, if GZ had been a sane person and listened to the 911 operator instead of going all vigilante
He did listen, as the evidence shown in the court shows he immediately complied with the 911 operator and was heading back to his vehicle when TM attacked him.
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TM would have still been alive if he hadn’t tried to defend himself
There was nothing he did to defend himself.
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Added thoughts:
You should have just quit before starting this shite thread. You are obviously a moron that didn't watch this case and has zero understanding of the presented facts.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 7:10 pm to LSU Coyote
He changed the world how? All he did was make it where if it’s a white or even Hispanic that kills a black person then they are guilty as charged no matter if the black guy was trying to rob or harm someone. I bet you think Michael Brown was innocent and a victim too.
Posted on 2/26/22 at 7:14 pm to pioneerbasketball
Honestly, I hope George Zimmerman is hit by a car the next time he crosses the street. He is by all accounts a total piece of shite and a freezing point IQ moron who should be six feet under just for the sake of the gene pool.
No he’s not a murderer, and yes Trayvon is nothing to write home about and is a violent thug himself, but if Zimmerman hadn’t LARPed being John McClaine that night, this country and world would be in much better place.
No he’s not a murderer, and yes Trayvon is nothing to write home about and is a violent thug himself, but if Zimmerman hadn’t LARPed being John McClaine that night, this country and world would be in much better place.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 2/26/22 at 7:30 pm to rt3
Obama set race relations back decades
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