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re: Together BR, teacher union: Deny all industrial tax exemptions
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:07 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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Louisiana's certification process is a joke - especially for teachers in HS
Yet there's still a huge shortage of certified teachers in the state.
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Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:15 pm to upgrayedd
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Funny how they never include things like free healthcare and retirement in any of these calculations.
...um, no. Teachers pay for health insurance and the cost isn't any lower than any other group policy in any profession. Free retirement? Where do I sign up. Teachers pay into a pension instead of social security. Nearly 10% of my check goes into the "free" retirement pension.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:22 pm to adavis
There's so much ignorance and contradiction in this thread that it's astounding. The OT uses any excuse to bash teachers because some individuals know a few teachers who bitch about their jobs, or they see teachers bitching on Facebook.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:29 pm to High C
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Louisiana's certification process is a joke - especially for teachers in HS
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Yet there's still a huge shortage of certified teachers in the state.
You misunderstand my point. It's not that it's easy (it is), it is completely unnecessary, especially on the high school level.
The fact that a person with an education degree can teach history in HS without further development but a person with a degree in History has to go through a draconian certification process is preposterous.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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The fact that a person with an education degree can teach history in HS without further development but a person with a degree in History has to go through a draconian certification process is preposterous.
I am the latter in your example, and all of the education classes that I took in my "alternate certification" process were a complete waste of time.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 1:41 pm to High C
Same as me. My Bachelor's Degree gave me the knowledge I need to teach. The Master's in Education was worthless.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:05 pm to Scruffy
When you have parents who give ZERO fricks, the best teacher in the world won't matter.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:15 pm to upgrayedd
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Together BR, teacher union: Deny all industrial tax exemptions
There's a reason teachers are teaching and not in the real world.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:20 pm to adavis
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...um, no. Teachers pay for health insurance and the cost isn't any lower than any other group policy in any profession. Free retirement? Where do I sign up. Teachers pay into a pension instead of social security. Nearly 10% of my check goes into the "free" retirement pension.
I think he was being a bit facetious there, but SS can't hold a candle to any teacher retirement system. It isn't even close. The financial value of that is completely lost in any of these discussions. Alabama's TRS is worth $10k in wages per year easily if not more to replace SS.
As to the health insurance, It depends on family vs single coverage, but on average single coverage teachers contribute a decently smaller % to health insurance premiums than the private sector does. For family plans, it is more equaled out. Teachers pay more, but their plans are also much more costly. The reason for that are going to be your out of pocket levels. I haven't looked at it in a while, but I'll wager that the out of pocket requirements on the average teacher health insurance plan is pretty significantly less than the average private sector plan.
ETA: My post is not an answer one way or another, but the non-salary financial benefits that teachers do have over the private sector are quite valuable, but are largely ignored in these types of discussions.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:20 pm to mikelbr
I'm gonna tag LSP on facebook and let them know you were being mean to teachers!
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:21 pm to upgrayedd
Together BR is stupid.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:32 pm to upgrayedd
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I'm gonna tag LSP on facebook and let them know you were being mean to teachers!
That poor Mike L.
He be Witch Hunt.
That made me fricking laugh at my desk.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 5/9/18 at 2:34 pm to mikelbr
Posted on 5/10/18 at 2:15 pm to upgrayedd
If they are so concerned with recovering tax dollars lost due to tax exemptions, then in addition to removing the ITEP, why not also remove the Homestead Exemption. I mean look at all that recoverable revenue that just goes to waste in NBR.
This post was edited on 5/10/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/10/18 at 2:35 pm to upgrayedd
Let me think this through.
Are public schools in EBR succeeding? NO
Will that change if we pay the current teachers more money? NO
Will it change if we hire better teachers? Maybe marginally.
Will we fire bad teachers to hire better teachers? NO
So, will more tax money improve public education in EBR? NO, but we should be used to that.
Are public schools in EBR succeeding? NO
Will that change if we pay the current teachers more money? NO
Will it change if we hire better teachers? Maybe marginally.
Will we fire bad teachers to hire better teachers? NO
So, will more tax money improve public education in EBR? NO, but we should be used to that.
Posted on 5/10/18 at 3:54 pm to Jimbeaux
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/10/18 at 5:14 pm to upgrayedd
Until the parents actually give a flying frick, no amount you pay teachers is going to fix baton rouge.
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