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re: Together BR, teacher union: Deny all industrial tax exemptions

Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:59 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 10:59 am to
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The results of this are usually not very good for the students, however.


Im nor sure how big a difference a teacher makes for the average student, if any.

The socioeconomic factors of the area mean far more
Posted by Tigers13
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2005
1819 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:00 am to
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sn't the state hemmoraging money (as in loss of tax income) from these too good to be true deals with plants and such?


The exemption has been in place since 1930. Without industry, this state would be in really bad shape.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62167 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:01 am to
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Yep, it’s so short sided


Stopped reading right there. Would you like me to "teach" you something?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:02 am to
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what are they offering in return?

They're offering you a sense of moral righteousness that you voted to give more money to kids by taking it from evil corporations that are the lifeblood of the local economy.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138848 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:03 am to
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moral righteousness
yeah.....I don't know what that is....
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62330 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:03 am to
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Sure they get some bank holidays a week off for Christmas and Easter, then two months in the summer, but they also work 10hr plus days throughout the regular year.


Week for Thanksgiving, 2 weeks for Christmas/New Year’s, week for Spring, 4 days for Easter, etc. The kids go 180 days, so half the year. The teachers have realized if they serve lunch, that counts as a day. So the kids really go about 170 days because they count half days before all of those holidays as well as teacher in services.

As far as working 10 hours a day... No they don’t. They’re lined up to leave the school as soon as the bell rings. So they’re not there 8 hours most days. That includes a planning/free hour and lunch. Now if you’re talking about COACHES and not teachers, ok. Yes they typically leave after 10+ hours on practice days and 13-14+ hours on game days. As well as coaching throughout the summer for strength and conditioning. Coaches are underpaid far more than just some random English teacher.
Posted by Tigers13
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2005
1819 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:04 am to
haha, derp, sighted. Sorry to ruffle your panties.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:18 am to
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As far as working 10 hours a day... No they don’t.


Correct. We generally worked from 8-4. School was out at 2:30 and post/prep work was done immediately after. Sure you do some lesson planning at home but that's generally when ideas hit you.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
55399 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:22 am to
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With uncertified, unqualified teachers, yes. There's always a "body" to put into a classroom when no certified teacher can be found. The results of this are usually not very good for the students, however.
we need to make a rule that no district can have 100% certified teachers... Ideally the percentage would be the same for every district
Posted by AA77
Member since Jan 2016
3874 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:47 am to
They really are showing their true colors I regret supporting them at one point.

There is no bigger divisive group in BR then them. Anti business, anti progress...
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3883 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 11:58 am to
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3) Let’s also assume that without the tax break, the business will not come, and/or will leave, or won’t expand to increase jobs and tax revenue.

At that point, I think it’s simply a mathematical question for a community. Does the benefit of the tax break outweigh the loss in tax revenue?


I think that its a safe assumption to make that companies shop states for the most friendly tax environment. The thing that people don't realize is that ITEP is new money. Giving the exemption doesn't reduce current funding, it just defers the new monies for 8 years. I think it is a 100% abatement for the first 5 years, then 80% for the next 3. After those 8 years 100% of the revenue will go to the local entities.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49577 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:01 pm to
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Teachers should be some of the best educated in our society and the requirements should be daunting.


While I agree in principle, what is the point of having highly educated, specialized professionals if everything being taught is so centrally standardized?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:02 pm to
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I think that its a safe assumption to make that companies shop states for the most friendly tax environment. The thing that people don't realize is that ITEP is new money. Giving the exemption doesn't reduce current funding, it just defers the new monies for 8 years. I think it is a 100% abatement for the first 5 years, then 80% for the next 3. After those 8 years 100% of the revenue will go to the local entities.

So temporary tax relief in exchange for long-term tax revenue. Opposition to that does sound a bit short sided.
This post was edited on 5/9/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted by kjntgr
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
9018 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:04 pm to
If you took the kids from the lowest rated school in state and switched kids with the highest rated school in the state. Then the lowest would be the highest and vice versa. Translation- its not the teachers.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49577 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:07 pm to
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With uncertified, unqualified teachers, yes


Louisiana's certification process is a joke - especially for teachers in HS.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3883 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:09 pm to
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So temporary tax relief in exchange for long-term tax revenue. That does sound a bit short sided.


It's extremely short-sighted for any governing body that votes against it IMO. You offer a tax break for money you currently aren't receiving and then have a substantial increase in revenue in 5-8 years.

My only problem with the program is that its only limited to manufacturing companies.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:14 pm to
Are there any estimates of how much tax revenue is generated by other means associated with the business during this exemption period?
Posted by Tigers13
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2005
1819 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:22 pm to
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shop states for the most friendly tax environment. The thing that people don't realize is that ITEP is new money. Giving the exemption doesn't reduce current funding, it just defers the new monies for 8 years. I think it is a 100% abatement for the first 5 years, then 80% for the next 3. After those 8 years 100% of the revenue will go to the local en


It’s been in flux but I think the current model is two 5 year periods both at 80%.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3883 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:31 pm to
I'm sure you could find it. Companies will still pay sales tax, inventory tax (which is another subject all together), payroll tax, and more. Plus if the company adds any new jobs that's additional income tax, property taxes and local sales tax.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 5/9/18 at 12:35 pm to
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Opposition to that does sound a bit short sided


Very.
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