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Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:43 am to baldona
When did he buy the land and when was the offer for $250,000 made? Was the offer of $250,000 fair market value? It is easy to make assumptions without factual and correct information.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:46 am to RollTide1987
quote:You didn't need Facebook to spread a story as sensational as this. The internet was plenty advanced enough. shite, in the early 90's we got 24/7 OJ coverage, and the internet wasn't really even a thing yet.
Social media wasn't even in its infancy at the time. Most people had flip phones and many of those weren't even capable of sending text messages. We got our news from the national media outlets
Maybe it is just happenstance that a story about a guy who built his own armored bulldozer and rampaged through a Colorado town got lost in the clutter of other stories, but that sounded stupid even as I typed it. Dude had a killdozer, man, and more than half the people I know who were adults at the time have never heard of it.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:49 am to blueboy
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Maybe it is just happenstance that a story about a guy who built his own armored bulldozer and rampaged through a Colorado town got lost in the clutter of other stories, but that sounded stupid even as I typed it. Dude had a killdozer, man, and more than half the people I know who were adults at the time have never heard of it.
- The Iraq War
- Terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia
- 60th anniversary of the D-Day invasion
- The death of a former U.S. President
All of that was going on at the time. The Killdozer story likely failed to gain traction due to the fact that no one died other than the psychopath at the controls. Calling it a "Killdozer" is an oxymoron.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:16 am to RollTide1987
quote:Dude. It's a killdozer rampaging through a town. It's not like it took all 24 hours of the day to report those other stories.
All of that was going on at the time
quote:People don't have to die to make something a big story. Weak take.
no one died other than the psychopath at the controls
Every rich/powerful man's worst nightmare is that he'll get offed by some random punk during a robbery or something, not just because he dies, but because he, a titan of the world is taken down by a lowly street pleb. That's the real reason behind gun control, and it's possibly the reason this story was buried.
But that's okay. His legend will live on.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:32 am to stout
I’m watching tread. Thanks for the recommendation.
I just busted out laughing when they said, when talking about him moving towards a set of barricades with men behind them “If they hadn’t moved out the way he would have killed them all.”
No shite, if you stand in front of an armored bulldozer rolling (slowly) towards you, you’ll be run over.
I just busted out laughing when they said, when talking about him moving towards a set of barricades with men behind them “If they hadn’t moved out the way he would have killed them all.”
No shite, if you stand in front of an armored bulldozer rolling (slowly) towards you, you’ll be run over.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:53 am to stout
Whether you intend to shoot anyone or not, firing a gun towards officers puts them and anyone else around at risk. The words “could have” doesn’t change anything
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:00 pm to stout
Just finished Tread. Thoroughly enjoyable, answered some questions, and just made the whole thing more real.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:24 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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"Falling Down"
Awesome movie
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
How did I never know about this
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:35 pm to stout
Late to this thread.
I've read two books on this subject and there is lots of misinformation floating around on this thread. There are also several podcasts out there with various amounts of accuracy and bias.
The "Tread" documentary is actually a very good fact based film. They do a good job of representing both sides of the story and the interviews with people on both sides of the story are compelling. It is one of the very few documentaries that appears unbiased and it is compelling at how certain events are viewed much differently by both sides.
Heemeyer was certainly treated unfairly in Granby but it is my opinion he brought much of this on himself. His dispute with Docheff reads like a classic neighbor dispute where neither party was right and both wanted to participate in a dick-measuring contest.
A sane person would have chalked up their losses and moved on with their life. Heemeyer couldn't let things go and chose to end his life over the issue. He was clearly unhealthily obsessed and descended into madness.
With that said, I actually admire his determination and commitment to his cause. He felt he was righteous in his actions and acted accordingly. Do I agree with his decisions? No, we don't bulldoze other people's property in a civilized society.
Watch Tread and read a few books if you are interested:
Malice
Killdozer
I've read two books on this subject and there is lots of misinformation floating around on this thread. There are also several podcasts out there with various amounts of accuracy and bias.
The "Tread" documentary is actually a very good fact based film. They do a good job of representing both sides of the story and the interviews with people on both sides of the story are compelling. It is one of the very few documentaries that appears unbiased and it is compelling at how certain events are viewed much differently by both sides.
Heemeyer was certainly treated unfairly in Granby but it is my opinion he brought much of this on himself. His dispute with Docheff reads like a classic neighbor dispute where neither party was right and both wanted to participate in a dick-measuring contest.
A sane person would have chalked up their losses and moved on with their life. Heemeyer couldn't let things go and chose to end his life over the issue. He was clearly unhealthily obsessed and descended into madness.
With that said, I actually admire his determination and commitment to his cause. He felt he was righteous in his actions and acted accordingly. Do I agree with his decisions? No, we don't bulldoze other people's property in a civilized society.
Watch Tread and read a few books if you are interested:
Malice
Killdozer
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:37 pm to fr33manator
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Just finished Tread. Thoroughly enjoyable, answered some questions, and just made the whole thing more real.
It is a very well put together documentary that shows both sides of the story.
The most human part of it was Heemeyer was well liked by many people including the woman he dated and his snowmobile buddies.
But even one of them said "He spent too much time alone up in that cabin in the hot tub thinking about things."
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:48 pm to Ed Osteen
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Whether you intend to shoot anyone or not, firing a gun towards officers puts them and anyone else around at risk. The words “could have” doesn’t change anything
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:50 pm to udtiger
I’m kinda surprised this wasn’t done again in response to COVID restrictions
Posted on 6/4/21 at 12:57 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:37 pm to stout
The moral relativism behind folk heroes is interesting. The amount of crime and general mayhem people will overlook if they can identify with the plight of the person(s) is fascinating. Most people engage in it at times and can be seen in a vacuum with some of the movie characters that are elevated to heroes when objectively they are just villains but with a reason we can identify with.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 1:54 pm to East Coast Band
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There is a busy intersection in Tuscaloosa that once had a gas station on the corner. The city added a turn lane and due to newer EPA restrictions, it effectively shut down this guy's gas station for good. He's been pissed off at city council for various reasons, but the end result is there sits a boarded up gas station eyesore right at the busiest intersection in town.
Would not be surprised if this guy built a killdozer.
Mr Wyatt (the owner of that building) had planned to paint it rainbow colors (like the gay flag) and paint a Walt Maddox for Governor sign on it. Walt is our shitty mayor, who many blame for the awful "leadership" following the tornado.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 2:04 pm to fr33manator
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No shite, if you stand in front of an armored bulldozer rolling (slowly) towards you, you’ll be run over.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 2:33 pm to blueboy
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Intentional or not, a guy like this scares the shite out of the ruling class. There's no ban they can pass, no restriction they can make that can stop people from doing things like this when they are screwed by the government, especially corrupt local yokel city councils that don't have military attack dogs to protect them.
Yeah Pelosi and Schumer would freak the frick out if 15-20 of these were rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue.
(Note Mr. FBI guy... I am not insinuating that this should happen)
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:22 pm to Obtuse1
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The moral relativism behind folk heroes is interesting.
The story is sometimes better than the truth.
We have a long history of liking outlaws and underdogs.
Robin Hood, Jesse James, Dennis Moore...
And more movies than I can name.
Men are seldom all hero or villain. We are conflicted beings. Duality of man.
It’s the spirit of the tale that is important.
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