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re: Today is the 17 year anniversary of the 'Killdozer'
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:24 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:24 pm to Obtuse1
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Most people engage in it at times and can be seen in a vacuum with some of the movie characters that are elevated to heroes when objectively they are just villains but with a reason we can identify with.
I think gangster movies/shows are a perfect example of this.
Boardwalk Empire, Peaky Blinders, Breaking Bad.
We live vicariously through such means.
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Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:24 pm to AndyCBR
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But even one of them said "He spent too much time alone up in that cabin in the hot tub thinking about things."
That kind of person will always live an unhappy life.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:40 pm to stout
No correlation, other than this dude went psycho damaging others people property because he had a hard time making ends meet because of an oppressive and corrupt government and the others were simply trying to leave their oppressive and corrupt government behind so they could work their way out of the problem.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 3:46 pm to East Coast Band
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There is a busy intersection in Tuscaloosa that once had a gas station on the corner. The city added a turn lane and due to newer EPA restrictions, it effectively shut down this guy's gas station for good. He's been pissed off at city council for various reasons, but the end result is there sits a boarded up gas station eyesore right at the busiest intersection in town.
Would not be surprised if this guy built a killdozer.
Is that the same guy that wasnt allowed to build the hotel he wanted just off of Mcfarland so he decided to make the land look as shitty as possible? He even built a giant tin chicken and left it on the property
Posted on 6/4/21 at 4:00 pm to stout
What’s the background?
Wikipedia is a bit aparce.
$2,500 seems a bit small to go killdozer over. And he sold the land for the concrete plant?
Wikipedia is a bit aparce.
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In 1992, Heemeyer purchased 2 acres (0.8 ha) of land from the Resolution Trust Corporation, the federal agency organized to handle the assets of failed savings and loan associations, for $42,000 to build a muffler shop. He subsequently agreed to sell the land to Cody Docheff to build a concrete batch plant, Mountain Park Concrete, for $250,000. According to Susan Docheff, Heemeyer changed his mind and increased the price to $375,000, then to a deal worth approximately $1 million. Some[who?] believed that this negotiation happened before the rezoning proposal was heard by the town council.[5] In 2001, Granby's zoning commission and trustees approved the construction of the concrete plant. Heemeyer unsuccessfully appealed the decision, claiming the construction blocked access to his shop. He was subsequently fined $2,500[6] by the town council and a city judge for various violations, including "not being hooked up to the sewer line"; he had initially been unable to connect to the new sewer line as the line ran 60 feet (18 m) away from his property and the city expected him to pay the nearly $80,000 cost of laying the connector.
$2,500 seems a bit small to go killdozer over. And he sold the land for the concrete plant?
Posted on 6/4/21 at 4:30 pm to SammyTiger
I say we let killdozer rise from the grave again this time a 2.0 version and go ahead and let it go inside some ghettos/hoods
Posted on 6/4/21 at 7:07 pm to SammyTiger
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$2,500 seems a bit small to go killdozer over. And he sold the land for the concrete plant?
Sometimes it ain’t the money, it’s the principle of the matter
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:34 pm to Glorious
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He even built a giant tin chicken and left it on the property
Pics?
Posted on 6/4/21 at 9:42 pm to alphaandomega
quote:The goobers that run this country were literally shitting their pants while a bunch of old ladies and LARPers walked around the Capitol building.
Yeah Pelosi and Schumer would freak the frick out if 15-20 of these were rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:19 pm to CocomoLSU
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"Had these tanks ruptured and exploded, anyone within one-half mile (800 m) of the explosion could have been endangered", the sheriff's department said.
Oh, come on. Do you have to be completely full of crap to be a cop?
The dude leveled a bunch of buildings with a homemade tank. There's no need for embellishment.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:20 pm to stout
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He is hailed as a hero for doing what many people that feel marginalized have wanted to do and he did it without causing physical harm to anyone. Had he killed anyone, then he wouldn't be seen in the light many see him in.
Much like the unibomber, righteous anger at some wrong things but terrible evil, methods.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been in on the opposite side of an individual in cahoots with a local government trying to get their way at your loss, but it’s infuriating and just makes you want to punch somebody.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:22 pm to stout
Just watched Tread per a recommendation here. Marvin was a complete head case. Everybody in that town was screwed up. But Marv is no hero. By the grace of God that dude didn’t kill anyone
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:36 pm to Ted2010
Yeah I was all for Marv reading this thread until i actually watched the docu. Now I see he was a nut.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:39 pm to stout
Watching the "Tread" documentary on Netflix right now.
Marvin Heemeyer is an American hero.
Marvin Heemeyer is an American hero.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:42 pm to CocomoLSU
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He definitely did not "attempt to not hurt anyone." That is literally 100% bullshite.
Nah. No one could get to him. If he wanted to kill someone else, then someone would have died.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:44 pm to 3nOut
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Much like the unibomber, righteous anger at some wrong things but terrible evil, methods.
Wait wait wait...are you calling destroying specific targets owned by men he thought had done him wrong (which were covered by insurance) “terrible, evil methods”?
I mean you might disagree with his reasoning, but he did revenge about as best you can ask for.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 10:45 pm to In The Know
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Yeah I was all for Marv reading this thread until i actually watched the docu. Now I see he was a nut.
Yes, sane people do not build bulldozers and level the property of others, even in a lost property dispute.
But I think the important thing to note is that Marv's actions weren't in a vacuum. Other people wronged him, and while not excusable, that contributed to the state he found himself in.
Marv is responsible for his actions but he didn't get to that place without the malice of others. I believe that is important to note and keep in mind as to how we treat each other.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:08 pm to AndyCBR
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Marv is responsible for his actions
And I don’t think he ever claimed differently.
I think he was fully cognizant of what he was doing. And I think the survivors in the docu tried to paint themselves in the best light they could, and perhaps aren’t the bastions of honesty and goodwill they purport themselves to be.
The only things we have from Marv are his recorded words and his actions.
And what I hear in the words of that man is someone who felt pushed, and pushed, and finally pushed too far.
A man of principle. It wasn’t ever about the money.
He was a man on a mission.
And maybe that’s why all the things that could’ve gone wrong didn’t.
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:34 pm to fr33manator
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And I don’t think he ever claimed differently.
And I never said he did.
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I think he was fully cognizant of what he was doing. And I think the survivors in the docu tried to paint themselves in the best light they could, and perhaps aren’t the bastions of honesty and goodwill they purport themselves to be.
There are two sides to every story. Based on Tread it is shocking how two people can come away with such a polar opposite account of something. Docheff's account of the land auction versus Heemeyer's comes to mind.
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The only things we have from Marv are his recorded words and his actions.
Yes, and the full length cassette tape recordings (not all of which were featured in Tread, and yes I have listened to them all) clearly demonstrate a person who was obsessed and descended into madness.
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And what I hear in the words of that man is someone who felt pushed, and pushed, and finally pushed too far.
Perhaps. Or a guy who just couldn't let things go and move on. It's the definition of obsession.
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A man of principle. It wasn’t ever about the money.
I can't confirm or deny that but he was certainly all about proving himself "right", even if it meant losing his life over it. Principled? Not in my view. Dedicated? Without question.
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He was a man on a mission.
And maybe that’s why all the things that could’ve gone wrong didn’t.
I would think those that had their property destroyed would feel otherwise.
Look, I know he is your folk hero but so were Bonny and Clyde and they shot cops in the face with a shotgun. I can see both sides of Marv's story but I can't justify his actions.
Idolize him if you want but I don't put myself in that category even though I can see the reasons he was driven to where he ended up.
This post was edited on 6/4/21 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/21 at 11:59 pm to AndyCBR
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Docheff's account of the land auction versus Heemeyer's comes to mind.
Yeah I didn’t believe a word out of Docheff’s mouth on that one.
Look, faulty as he might be, a man doesn’t get that way over nothing. Docheff struck me as a man who always got his way and didn’t care who he stepped on because he was connected. Heemeyer was nothing but an ant to him. And having known men like that in my life I can completely see Docheff tearing into Heemeyer for spoiling his sweetheart deal.
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Yes, and the full length cassette tape recordings (not all of which were featured in Tread, and yes I have listened to them all) clearly demonstrate a person who was obsessed and descended into madness.
Oh I don’t disagree that it became an obsession, but I’d balk at calling it madness. It was calculated. It was him trying to play the game and getting screwed over by the powers that be until he decided that now they were gonna play his game,
It’s Falling Down in read life, basically.
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Principled? Not in my view. Dedicated? Without question.
When I say “principled” I mean he abided by his own code. And then he saw that through, and I think no matter who you are, somehow constructing a working Killdozer right under everyone’s nose deserves at least a nod. The feat was impressive.
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I would think those that had their property destroyed would feel otherwise.
They didn’t lose any sleep over destroying Heemeyer’s livelihood.
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Look, I know he is your folk hero but so were Bonny and Clyde
He’s a folk story. And a tale like that deserves to be told,
Unlike Bonnie and Clyde he didn’t steal or murder.
Like I’ve said, he’s not the villain some want him to be, and he ain’t a hero...just a man.
But can any of us deny that, sometimes, we wish we had a Killdozer too?
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