re: Today is the 17 year anniversary of the 'Killdozer'

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Heemeyer had installed two rifles in firing ports on the inside of the bulldozer,[14] and fired fifteen bullets from his rifle at power transformers and propane tanks. "Had these tanks ruptured and exploded, anyone within one-half mile (800 m) of the explosion could have been endangered", the sheriff's department said. Twelve police officers and residents of a senior citizens complex were within such a range.

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Could have...

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Heemeyer fired many bullets from his semi-automatic rifle at Cody Docheff when Docheff tried to stop the assault on his concrete plant by using a wheel tractor-scraper, which was pushed aside by Heemeyer's bulldozer. Later, Heemeyer fired on two state patrol officers before they had fired at him.

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Again, I think he could have killed an officer had he wanted to. He was in no danger of being shot and could have taken his time to line up a shot.

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The sheriff's department also noted that eleven of the thirteen buildings Heemeyer bulldozed were occupied until moments before their destruction. At the town library, for example, a children's program was in progress when the incident began.

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Maybe this part was sheer luck or maybe he knew in a small town evacuations would happen quickly. Who knows? I still believe he had no intentions of killing anyone outside of maybe those who wronged him had he seen them.

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This is entirely wrong.

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Dude carefully picked his targets. This wasn’t wanton destruction. Sure there was collateral damage (doesn’t matter to the government, so I won’t lose sleep over it)

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He literally tried to shoot several innocent cops, tried to blow up tanks that would have hurt innocent people, and destroyed buildings where innocent citizens were

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I mean, the cops were shooting at him. Pretty sure he could have killed them if he wanted to.

Your hand wringing about the propane tanks is just Karen speculation about something that didn’t happen.

And he destroyed buildings .

If the Killdozer comes to the building you are in, don’t stay there.

I know you want to turn him into some villain, and i’m not saying he’s a hero...just a man.


But,

“Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.”

I thought I read one time that the Governor was thinking about calling up the National Guard and attack helicopters to stop him if it had gone on much longer. That would have been crazy to see.

It’s the spirit of it all.


I mean, who doesn’t look at all the government incompetence and corruption and graft sometimes and NOT want to drive an armored bulldozer through city hall?

The buildings are just edifices of the internal issues. They are proxies.

It’s the, how do you say...

Of the thing.

I'm more of a Billdozer kind of guy

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Could have...

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That actually supports my side, not yours though. He was shooting at propane tanks trying to make them explode. Are you seriously arguing that doing that is "targeting people who wronged him" and not putting others/the public in danger?

Him firing at cops before they were even shooting at him...you think that was simply a deterrent? That would only make them return fire.

I get why people side with this guy to an extent, but you can't ignore the pure insanity he possessed. Like you even said on the previous page...those videos he made, that's not a mentally healthy person.

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I mean, the cops were shooting at him.

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What about when he shot first?

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Your hand wringing about the propane tanks is just Karen speculation about something that didn’t happen.

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I' not Karen speculating anything. He shot at the tanks. I won't argue that the "half a mile" estimate is accurate, but tanks like that exploding sure as hell can put the public (i.e. innocent people) at risk.

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And he destroyed buildings .

If the Killdozer comes to the building you are in, don’t stay there.

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Sure, and if you stay there you will likely be hurt or killed. And he destroyed those buildings not knowing if they were vacated or not.

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I know you want to turn him into some villain, and i’m not saying he’s a

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He is a villain. I'm not trying to "turn him into" anything. I just all a spade a spade. And you say he's not a hero and is just a man. But that's not what lots of others are saying.

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“Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.”

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Again, I get it. I just think this dude gets too much praise and not enough negativity. That's all. I've argued this before on the M/TV board and been downvoted into oblivion. So this thread is not a surprise.

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That actually supports my side, not yours though

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Not really. The range of "potential destruction" seems pretty arbitrary and reeks of fear-mongering to make him seem evil. The whole snip you posted does actually.

There are way more volatile refineries and plants that blow up that don't cause deaths and major destruction a half-mile wide.

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Him firing at cops before they were even shooting at him...you think that was simply a deterrent?

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Yes I do. If you have no fear of being shot, and truly wanted to kill someone, then you can take your time and line up the shot.

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That would only make them return fire.

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Other cops had already fired upon him. Pretty sure he assumed these cops would do the same.

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Like you even said on the previous page...those videos he made, that's not a mentally healthy person.

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I acknowledge that but being a bit crazy and not being a lunatic murderer can coexist.

How was the guy wronged by the government? He didn’t agree with them, I don’t see how he was wronged though? From what I can find he lost 2 battles:
1.) city required him to tap into city sewer for $80,000 due to it being a long run (this is not abnormal unless I’m missing something?)

2.) he lost a lawsuit against city zoning that allowed a business to expand that removed his easiest path from his home to his business due to the new expansion

I mean give me a break here, both of these are laughably normal from what I can see?

This guy was coocoo for coco puffs

Glad the stupid bastard is dead.