re: This Ulvade police press conference is awful

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- is there some chance they assumed the killer may have been strapped with a bomb and capable of even more damage?

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its an active shooter, it doesn't matter

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- is there some chance they couldn’t wrap their brain around the idea that he would literally just kill every kid versus it being treated as a hostage situation?

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its an active shooter, it doesn't matter

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I'm not one normally prone to anger, but this brings a rage up inside of me that I haven't felt in a while

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If you can view that timeline and come away with any emotion other than rage, you may be a psychopath.

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Unfrickingbelivable! I'm not one normally prone to anger, but this brings a rage up inside of me that I haven't felt in a while. I don't understand how anyone can sit around and wait in a situation like this.

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I’m with you. I’m generally anti fed but the DOJ needs to come in and arrest everyone until they can tell the truth instead of passing the buck around.

They were more concerned w crowd control. Just makes no sense.

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I find it really strange that we've had several these take place where the local police seemingly allowed it to happen. That's just too much for my Asperger's to process without thinking that at some point they WANTED it to be bad.

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or maybe the effort to cultivate policies to reign in "hard charging" cops has fostered the opposite (and worse) result of an organization that was impotent when it needed to be its most potent. I'm not defending them because their actions appear to be indefensible. Their response was despicable, but its not unimaginable given how pussified law enforcement policies have become.

But on an individual level, how all these dudes stood around hearing the shooting and had no primitive, visceral urge to intervene is unfathomable. Have we derided "masculinity" to the point that some (like these guys) cannot muster the courage to save a child? Let alone children?

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How well does a ballistic shield stand up to a .223 round?

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With tactical gear, weapons, & partners it obviously worked very well.

It’s very telling to me that it appears that the local yokels were ordered to stand down by the “federal” marshals on site. There is no way in Hell, TSHP officers or Texas Rangers would have stood down for a second.

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I don't know if we will ever get a straight answer for that unless there is video / audio. You have to always assume that there may be kids still alive in there and you need to take out the threat ASAP.

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There is video. There was a guy that lived across the street and he set up a camera and recorded. It will likely hit the news at some point but at 25-30 minutes in you can still hear shots. Also at that point, there are plenty of cops there.

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I believe you cant just send 150 cops at a target with no plan?

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Doing exactly this would've been better than sitting on your fricking arse and listening to kids get murdered and their parents screaming at you to go in there and get them out.

frick those cops. They'd have been better off giving their weapons to the parents.

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I don’t want to believe there’s a conspiracy

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I can see some plausibility were the kid was sought for an attack and provided with guns and ammo.

I don’t know how you randomly get 90% (or more) of a police force, and maybe some state LEO’s, to lay down and let some guy kill 19 kids and 2 adults, some of which may be relatives, friends, etc.

Nobody could come to me with any incentive and get me to agree, and I think I speak for millions of folks.