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re: "The vaccine was never supposed to prevent spread, its just to reduce symptoms!!!"
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Lockdowns are a last-ditch strategy that need planning and don't seemingly work all that well in a globalized economy. I don't know why it was our first-line strategy.
I understood it when it was new, we didn't have much data on it, there were no vaccines or treatments, and we thought we could snuff it out.
But it's clear at this point it's not going away, we have vaccines and treatments, and it's been two years. Time to fricking move on with our lives. I know a couple people who have it right now who are in their 30s. The symptoms consist of being tired and having a dry cough. That's it.
Insanity.
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Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:13 pm to crazy4lsu
That’s all fine but at this point the vaccine’s main attribute is minimal symptoms. Kids already have that any way. Mandating something that will reduces symptoms for someone that will already have minimal symptoms is just crazy.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:16 pm to STEVED00
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That’s all fine but at this point the vaccine’s main attribute is minimal symptoms. Kids already have that any way. Mandating something that will reduces symptoms for someone that will already have minimal symptoms is just crazy.
I agree on this point. It's like the shingles vaccine...you're not supposed to get it until 45 when you're most likely to a) get it and b) have a bad time.
Should be that way for the covid vaccine too.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:18 pm to STEVED00
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That’s all fine but at this point the vaccine’s main attribute is minimal symptoms.
That wall of text wasn't support for mandatory vaccination. Just an explanation of why I was amazed at the original suggestion.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:24 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I understood it when it was new, we didn't have much data on it, there were no vaccines or treatments, and we thought we could snuff it out
Even then, it was used reactively. We weren't looking like using it until after the stock market reacted. If it was used proactively, I could maybe buy the idea that we were doing the best we could based on the information we had, but that's not the way it went down.
Overall, the handling has been so bad that despite the massive successes of public health these past two centuries, I don't know if it will ever recover.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:25 pm to goldennugget
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The vaccine was never supposed to prevent spread, its just to reduce symptoms
If this is the case why doesnt everyone just take the antibodies when they get sick?
Posted on 12/17/21 at 5:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I agree on this point. It's like the shingles vaccine...you're not supposed to get it until 45 when you're most likely to a) get it and b) have a bad time.
Recommending and Mandating are different though.
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:21 pm to goldennugget
FWIW, here’s the former Vice President Joe Biden on Omicron today:
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“We are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. But there’s good news: If you’re vaccinated and you have your booster shot, you’re protected from severe illness and death,”
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:35 pm to Klark Kent
You think potato head even remembers saying that? Certainly not while reminiscing about the cockroaches sitting in his lap
Posted on 12/17/21 at 6:42 pm to DTRooster
of course not. just pointing out the absolute fallacy of some posters pretending they knew all along the vaccination wasn’t to prevent the spread but to mitigate severity. if true, why blame the unvaccinated? why do we need to mandate vaccines at work, in public places, in private establishments? why do children have to have vaccines for COVID?
more 18-49 year olds died of fentanyl OD’s in the last 2 years than COVID, by a sig if i can’t margin. COVID is the 8th or 9th leading cause of death for those under 18. And y’all justify shutting down the economy, schools, and ruining peoples lives to save the elderly from getting sick? because that’s what you’re really saying if you say you knew all along it wasn’t to prevent the spread it was to mitigate hospitalizations and death.
more 18-49 year olds died of fentanyl OD’s in the last 2 years than COVID, by a sig if i can’t margin. COVID is the 8th or 9th leading cause of death for those under 18. And y’all justify shutting down the economy, schools, and ruining peoples lives to save the elderly from getting sick? because that’s what you’re really saying if you say you knew all along it wasn’t to prevent the spread it was to mitigate hospitalizations and death.
This post was edited on 12/17/21 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/18/21 at 7:43 am to Chucktown_Badger
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A vaccine has a very specific definition
Right.. so why would you say “it reduces severity and death” to someone who doesn’t think the vaccine is a vaccine, if that’s not the definition?
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:42 am to Chucktown_Badger
You can spin it anyway you want. But with the explosion of "breakthroughs" this can be called " vaccine failure" and as such these vaccines are very much largely "failures". If you have to go every 5 or 6 months to get a booster because of precipitous failure and waning efficacy it is no way a vaccine and its success is more than questionable.
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:52 am to KiwiHead
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You can spin it anyway you want. But with the explosion of "breakthroughs" this can be called " vaccine failure" and as such these vaccines are very much largely "failures". If you have to go every 5 or 6 months to get a booster because of precipitous failure and waning efficacy it is no way a vaccine and its success is more than questionable.
Breakthrough infections are common with pathogens which are transmitted by respiratory means. The vaccine does show decreased severity of infection. It's only questionable when people don't understand anything about infectious disease.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 8:57 am to crazy4lsu
We are in a Pandemic of the vaccinated
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:09 am to crazy4lsu
Then it is merely a therapeutic with limited protection range. You cannot truly vaccinate against corona viruses. You can somewhat limit them but they will find a way. If we as a society have to keep sitting people for 10 days to 2 weeks during every "surge" despite higher "vaxx" rates then what you have is a step above snake oil, at best.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:11 am to crazy4lsu
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Breakthrough infections are common with pathogens which are transmitted by respiratory means. The vaccine does show decreased severity of infection. It's only questionable when people don't understand anything about infectious disease.
Which makes vaccine mandates and require vaccination to enter buildings ridiculous. An unvaccinated person is no more of a risk to anyone than a vaccinated person.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:19 am to KiwiHead
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Then it is merely a therapeutic with limited protection range.
The smallpox vaccine had breakthrough infections, with a vaccinated CFR rate near 30%. Was that a vaccine or a 'therapeutic'? You people are making up retarded definitions for things as you go.
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You cannot truly vaccinate against corona viruses. You can somewhat limit them but they will find a way.
This is just an immensely funny sentence.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:20 am to The Boat
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Which makes vaccine mandates and require vaccination to enter buildings ridiculous. An unvaccinated person is no more of a risk to anyone than a vaccinated person.
I agree. There are several reasons vaccine mandates are stupid, mainly because we've never mitigated the spread of a disease without curbing both transmission rates as well as vaccination.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:54 am to goldennugget
Some of y'all should really do your own research on these things, and not just parrot what someone else said online.
When I got the shot earlier this year, I did that with he knowledge that it was to lessen the symptoms if you do get it. Not to stop me from getting it all together.
Although, if it lessens the symptoms, then it can also be like you never knew you had it either.
I thought this was already common knowledge.
When I got the shot earlier this year, I did that with he knowledge that it was to lessen the symptoms if you do get it. Not to stop me from getting it all together.
Although, if it lessens the symptoms, then it can also be like you never knew you had it either.
I thought this was already common knowledge.
Posted on 12/18/21 at 9:57 am to QJenk
again, then why force people to chose between their jobs and a vaccine if it isn’t stopping the spread? why force young military members and professional athletes to get the vaccine or sit? why force healthy children to get vaccinated for a disease that isn’t a threat to them?
for months the phrase everyone parroted was “slow the spread” NOT “mitigate the symptoms”
you’re lying
for months the phrase everyone parroted was “slow the spread” NOT “mitigate the symptoms”
you’re lying
This post was edited on 12/18/21 at 10:01 am
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