re: "The vaccine was never supposed to prevent spread, its just to reduce symptoms!!!"

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But if you aren’t coughing or sneezing or showing any other symptoms, how much virus are you shedding just by breathing

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I don't know that answer, but apparently enough for others to get it.

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“Well guess what? How about patriotism? How about you make sure you’re vaccinated, so you do not spread the disease to anybody else? What about that?

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- biden

I’m still wondering if people with natural antibodies have “breakthrough

I know I'll probably get downvoted on this, but I was told that info by the guy who gave me both shots. He didn't say it like that though. It was more like, "this won't prevent you from getting it, but if you do get it the symptoms will be way less harsh than if you didn't get the vaccine." So I knew that going into it. And would tell people that and they would fight me to the end of the world saying how wrong that was.

I think that the misinformation doesn't come from the medical community. I think it comes from the MSM and all the people out there who accepted a fallacy to use as their soapbox narrative and ran with it. Telling people they're selfish and think of others so get vaccinated. It has nothing to do with either of those things. It's more like do you not want to deal with a bad case of Covid vs not getting vaccinated and if you do catch the virus you could potentially have a severe case of it. And then again you may not, who knows?

That is why I'm not running to get the booster. frick that.

The mandates is because the Federal Government probably made backroom deals with the drug companies and bought so many doses (I scratch your back, you scratch mine). I've always felt it was about that and that only. They didn't want to have all these wasted doses.

And let's be honest. It might have saved people from taking up hospital beds too. But to force people to get vaccinated was and is complete utter bullshite.

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But when Nytrobud said the vaccine isn't really a vaccine, you said "Yes, it is. It reduces severity and death." Why would you even bring up severity and death if you don't think that's what constitutes a vaccine?

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A vaccine has a very specific definition. All of them are vaccines. To say otherwise is, well, incorrect.

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It reduces severity and death

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how much more than 99% does it reduce death

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how much more than 99% does it reduce death

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how much more than 99% does it reduce death

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I'd have to check the individual trial papers for percent reduction, but found this on a quick search.

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Highlights
In the absence of a vaccination program, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional COVID-19 deaths and more than 10.3 million additional COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. by November 2021.

Without the U.S. vaccination program, COVID-19 deaths would have been approximately 3.2 times higher and COVID-19 hospitalizations approximately 4.9 times higher than the actual toll during 2021.

If no one had been vaccinated, daily deaths from COVID-19 could have jumped to as high as 21,000 per day — nearly 5.2 times the level of the record peak of more than 4,000 deaths per day recorded in January 2021.

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Yes, it is. It reduces severity and death.

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No...no it's not. That may fit the New and improved, narrative fitting, definition by the CDC, but its not a true vaccine and only liberal idiots refuse to admit that the goal post move every time one of their theories get disproved.