re: The shooter was seen on the roof for multiple minutes before the shooting

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wonder if the shooter was aiming for Trumps head or aiming for the torso and missed badly.

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A trained soldier or marine would aim center mass since this greatly increases the hit probability. This goes for rifle or pistol. It was how I was trained by the Army in the late 80's and is still how soldiers are trained. This is especially important shooting iron sights when there is more uncertainty in the exact point of aim.
A bright red Maga hat though does offer an excellent contrast with the iron sights. I may go to the range later to test this theory. Won't be using a Maga hat though. I'm not that obtuse but I am curious as to the validity of this theory. I highly recommend that no one else would try this experiment on a public range unless they want to be interviewed by the SS.
Any long time shooter will tell you that getting a rock solid position and excellent sight picture is vital to precisely placing your shot. Breath control and trigger squeeze is assumed to be good. It is also assumed that the rifle is 2 moa or better. In my experience this is a pretty good assumption with ball ammo. The moa assumption would mean at the estimated range the shots would be dispersed over a 3 inch circle. A not so good assumption would be the shooters breath control and trigger squeeze since breath control in this situation would be difficult at best unless this dude had ice water in his veins.
I thank God that this chump missed Trump. It is terrible though that a man was killed by this lunatic.

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Tell that to the deceased guys family jackass.

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Why do yall keep saying this shite like it’s some gotcha? I already said it’s still a long time

Reading comprehension dumb arse

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Character wise for thread title

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It was 2 minutes and 47 seconds I believe. Hence the title “multiple minutes”

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Longer actually - there were witnesses who saw him BEFORE he was even on the building

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Longer actually - there were witnesses who saw him BEFORE he was even on the building

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Right. Which is why I said multiple minutes because it depends when you start the clock actually

Jim just has little man syndrome

You’re 5’10 & play tennis

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why?

the plausibility of local LEO:

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EVERY person I’ve heard talk about it has said that the SS responsible perimeter should have been, and always is, much wider. It should have never been an issue for local LEO to deal with.

I don’t need to get involved in this discussion. I’m going to mow my yard.

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EVERY person I’ve heard talk about it has said that the SS responsible perimeter should have been, and always is, much wider. It should have never been an issue for local LEO to deal with.

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SS is always responsible for the immediate vicinity of the VIP, and then long range perimeter with snipers.

Crowd control, meaning beyond immediate vicinity to the extent of the crowd, is always local LEO.

Not sure what you have heard, but that is par the course for these types of events.

Ultimately, this still lies on SS, but I'm willing to bet that local LEO was responsible for that building/area.

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How does not one LEO get a radio to get Trump down and off the stage in all of that time?

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they do this and nobody would have gotten shot. doubt the shooter would have randomly shot at the crowd if trump was gone but who knows

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the plausibility of local LEO:

- missing someone climbing on the roof
- being slow to react
- not wanting to immediately shut down the speech before investigating
- panicking once a gun is pointed at them

all seems pretty on par for local LEO

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It almost seems like they intentionally wanted to let him get some shots off before taking him out. I'm not usually a conspiracy theory guy, but it would not surprise me if that was the plan coming down from the top. Biden has weaponized just about every federal agency, why not also the SS to remove the threat that is Trump?