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re: The 'Overparenting' Crisis In School And At Home
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:31 pm to Pecker
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:31 pm to Pecker
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Have you ever paid your kid for good grades?
No, but I've punished them for bad grades if I felt they could, or should, have done better.
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Have you driven to school to drop off a forgotten assignment?
No, but my wife used to do this which would drive me insane.
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Have you done a college student's laundry?
On occasion and as a favor. My kids generally did their own laundry.
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What about coming along to Junior's first job interview?
Double You...Tee...Eff!
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:33 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
When Peterson talks about not raising a child you don’t like, it kind of blew my mind to hear him put it that way. Because there are obviously a lot of kids out there that parents have every right not to like. And what the guy above said about “ princess “ above should be read by everybody twice because that’s TRUTH.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:34 pm to Pecker
Someone needs to post this article on the LSU Parents facebook page
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:35 pm to Pecker
here is the thing
no parent thinks they over parent or are helicopter parents, but almost all (at least good parents) will or do over parent in some way
no parent thinks they over parent or are helicopter parents, but almost all (at least good parents) will or do over parent in some way
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:37 pm to Pecker
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Have you ever paid your kid for good grades? Have you driven to school to drop off a forgotten assignment?
these are piss poor examples of overparenting.
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Have you done a college student's laundry?
An 18+ year old should do their own laundry but I suppose this isn't the worst thing in the world
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What about coming along to Junior's first job interview?
Despicable
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:39 pm to Salmon
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here is the thing
no parent thinks they over parent or are helicopter parents, but almost all (at least good parents) will or do over parent in some way
Yep.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:40 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Jordan Peterson makes many good points in regards to overbearing parents.
Basically, he says the purpose of parenting is grooming your child to be a functional person in society and responsible while being tough enough to not have people walk all over your child.
This takes work though. It's much easier to buy your kid Fortnite and let him hang out in his room for a few hours after school each day so you can watch TV
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:51 pm to biglego
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What about coming along to Junior's first job interview?
As a parent, this sounds exciting
At The Gold Club?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:51 pm to Lsupimp
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That framework should promote Self-analysis , perseverance, knowledge of the world, how human psychology works, the pursuit of meaning and truth - just an understanding of what they will face. Because life WILL kick their arse even if you stupidly think you can insulate them from reality.
Although I often disagree with Pimp on the Rant, this is sage and thoughtful advice. Rarely does one encounter any person - much less a parent- who openly values knowledge, introspection, resilience, meaning, and truth. Shockingly, these notions appear to have become passe in modern America.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:51 pm to Pecker
Just dropping in to remind you that today’s kids are less violent, less likely to sexually assault one another, and more likely to have a positive opinion of their parents than pretty much any generation that’s ever lived in America.
The kids are alright. As always it’s the baby boomers you gotta watch out for
The kids are alright. As always it’s the baby boomers you gotta watch out for
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:51 pm to Pecker
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It's much easier to buy your kid Fortnite and let him hang out in his room for a few hours after school each day so you can watch TV
wouldn't this be under parenting?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:52 pm to Pecker
Most of this stuff I believe I have a handle on and I don't overparent, coddle, spoil, tell them they are the greatest at everything they do, etc. However as my kids are getting into elementary school and starting to take standardized tests for gifted programs and other extracurricular activities I'm struggling with this:
And I feel like this is true and a problem as well:
The fact of the matter is earlier and earlier you find yourself pushing and grooming kids to think and "learn" a very specific way with singular goal of acing the standardized test that gets them into the gifted program or other opportunities to get them ahead. You are competing against people who are getting their 1st grader specialized tutoring to ace a MAP test that the teachers/school are telling everyone to not even prepare for (i.e., at this age just let the kids naturally take their test without focused prep). So you find yourself doing prep-standardized tests with a 7 year old to get them ready.
And you have your First Grader's classmates turning in science projects that look like something from a college honors class while you encouraged him to do it himself. So next time you find yourself helping a lot more so your kid isn't turning in the only project that looks like a 1st grader actually did it.
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Furthermore, we as a society [are] so obsessed with learning as a product — grades, scores and other evidence of academic and athletic success — that we have sacrificed learning in favor of these false idols.
And I feel like this is true and a problem as well:
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Teachers have come to accept that parents interfere and co-opt school projects and have begun to take that for granted when grading.
The fact of the matter is earlier and earlier you find yourself pushing and grooming kids to think and "learn" a very specific way with singular goal of acing the standardized test that gets them into the gifted program or other opportunities to get them ahead. You are competing against people who are getting their 1st grader specialized tutoring to ace a MAP test that the teachers/school are telling everyone to not even prepare for (i.e., at this age just let the kids naturally take their test without focused prep). So you find yourself doing prep-standardized tests with a 7 year old to get them ready.
And you have your First Grader's classmates turning in science projects that look like something from a college honors class while you encouraged him to do it himself. So next time you find yourself helping a lot more so your kid isn't turning in the only project that looks like a 1st grader actually did it.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:52 pm to Pecker
I'm so glad you're back and Mingo is gone.
You speak life lessons well
You speak life lessons well
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:54 pm to Deactived
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Mingo is gone.
Did Mingbro catch a ban?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:54 pm to Pecker
Music was the one thing my kids and I could always agree on. I could put music on and everybody could rally around that. And then they picked up guitars. And it kind of became who we were collectively- extreme music geeks. No matter what you disagree on, it’s great to have one passionate thing that everybody can agree on. With my Dad it was sports and politics. With my kids it exchanging our thoughts on the music we love. It sounds small, but it’s really a huge thing- a bridge between generations.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:55 pm to EmperorGout
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Just dropping in to remind you that today’s kids are less violent, less likely to sexually assault one another, and more likely to have a positive opinion of their parents than pretty much any generation that’s ever lived in America.
The kids are alright. As always it’s the baby boomers you gotta watch out for
I have absolutely told this to my friends and believe 100%. We are raising better humans, but some are absolutely raising what will surely be 40 yr old children..
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:56 pm to Pecker
My parents taught me how to post a link
Posted on 1/31/19 at 1:57 pm to Pecker
I knew it was a problem, but reading the LSU parent facebook page, it's a bigger issue than I thought. Once I got to college, my parents were not really involved in my day to day life.
They never looked at my grades in college, I could have told them I had straight A's and they wouldn't know any difference. They had no idea what classes I was taking unless I mentioned something to them during the semester about a certain subject.
My dad passed away right before I was about to start my 2nd semester and I ended up taking that semester off so my mom had other things going on while I was in college so that might have been part of the reason, but on the weekends she never knew where I was going. If I had something to take care of, I took care of it myself, I didn't call my mom and tell her I had a problem with this or that and I need her to come help me.
She knew my friends who I grew up or went to HS with, but beyond that she had no idea who I associated with. And as for as I know, none of my friends or people I hung out with had their parents overly involved in their life. It was as if once you graduated HS, it was time for you to grow up. Make your own decisions, etc.
They never looked at my grades in college, I could have told them I had straight A's and they wouldn't know any difference. They had no idea what classes I was taking unless I mentioned something to them during the semester about a certain subject.
My dad passed away right before I was about to start my 2nd semester and I ended up taking that semester off so my mom had other things going on while I was in college so that might have been part of the reason, but on the weekends she never knew where I was going. If I had something to take care of, I took care of it myself, I didn't call my mom and tell her I had a problem with this or that and I need her to come help me.
She knew my friends who I grew up or went to HS with, but beyond that she had no idea who I associated with. And as for as I know, none of my friends or people I hung out with had their parents overly involved in their life. It was as if once you graduated HS, it was time for you to grow up. Make your own decisions, etc.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:05 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
I think this current generation has a “ vocabulary for self- awareness “ ( my term ) that my generation didn’t. They understand WHY they feel a certain way because a vocabulary exists now. Whereas I feel like I just “ felt “ it without understanding the why of it. As stupid as it sounds I think a lot of that is YouTube and all the other things that help people ACTIVELY understand human psychology . There is a level of sophistication now that was rare in my day. Obviously I’m talking about intelligent kids.
In other ways though, this generation is urgently trying to forget certain human truths. That’s largely how I view Jordan Peterson - he’s just reminding people of the Human Truths they are frantically trying to forget. Which is kind of a parental role, you have to bring them back to Truth and away from magical thinking and all the tricks we try to play with ourselves to make life more bearable.
In other ways though, this generation is urgently trying to forget certain human truths. That’s largely how I view Jordan Peterson - he’s just reminding people of the Human Truths they are frantically trying to forget. Which is kind of a parental role, you have to bring them back to Truth and away from magical thinking and all the tricks we try to play with ourselves to make life more bearable.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 2:07 pm to Lsupimp
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And what the guy above said about “ princess “ above should be read by everybody twice because that’s TRUTH.
I married one
It’s not too bad, but when it comes time to settle an argument, or have a discussion about marital issues, it really surfaces. She has a really hard time looking at things from my POV because she’s never really been challenged to live for other people. She isn’t ‘selfish’, but has some selfish traits, if that makes any sense
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he’s just reminding people of the Human Truths they are frantically trying to forget
What do you mean ‘human truths’?
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 2:09 pm
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