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The First World War began 112 years ago yesterday...

Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:39 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:39 am
Much like the actual moment, the anniversary of Austria-Hungary declaring war on the Kingdom of Serbia came and went with little fanfare. By the end of July 1914, few people actually cared about the squabble between those two countries and were more concerned about a general European war, which was becoming more and more inevitable by the hour.

Five days earlier, in reaction to the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Austria had given to Serbia a list of demands that were so absurd that they were almost certainly designed to be rejected. Nevertheless, Serbia agreed unconditionally to all but one of them. Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany is said to have stated: "A great moral victory for Vienna, but with it all pretense for war has disappeared."

That didn't stop Emperor Franz Joseph from declaring war on Serbia on July 28, 1914, calling the Serbian reply to the ultimatum "not good enough." Within hours, the Serbian capital of Belgrade was being shelled by Austro-Hungarian forces. By this time, however, what began as a localized conflict that looked to be limited to the Balkans, had spiraled into a full blown crisis.

The Imperial Russian Army had mobilized its forces and Germany was in the process of doing the same. Should Russia be drawn into the conflict, France - Russia's ally - would surely follow. The British Empire might also be drawn into the conflict as they, too, had an alliance with France and Russia. What would soon follow would be the greatest catastrophe to ever fall the continent of Europe.

Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38669 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:40 am to
The sleepwalkers is a really good book about the buildup and causes of WW1

It really did not have to happen but based on old treaties and partnerships

It’s a pretty dry book, and I know alot of people liked Guns of August.. but this is a more modern retelling of it all as well
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:41 am to
White people have never recovered
Posted by PSS101
Member since Jun 2024
1890 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:43 am to
World War I and the Versailles Treaty started World War II
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71601 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 10:47 am to
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It really did not have to happen but based on old treaties and partnerships



Yep. The old school way of thinking is that a general European war was an inevitability given the alliance system. However, that is far from the truth. Contrary to popular belief, the leaders of the various European powers were political moderates and very cosmopolitan. Germany had the largest contingent of elected socialists of any parliament on the continent of Europe. The British government was run by liberals. The Kaiser and Tsar corresponded with each other in English while the ambassadors of the various powers spoke to each other in French.

Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
38669 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:04 am to
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Contrary to popular belief, the leaders of the various European powers were political moderates and very cosmopolitan.


And also, arguably more importantly, all related too. A bunch of squabbling cousins dragged Europe into hell
Posted by weaveballs1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
3432 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:19 am to
Might need to fire up Blueprint for Armageddon again. I've been to the museum in Vienna where the gun Princip used, the car that Franz Ferdinand and Sophie were riding in, and the tunic he was wearing are housed. I had heard Carlin describe it on the podcast and wanted to see it for myself. It was the most sobering museum artifact I've ever seen in my life. You can see the bloodstains still on the fabric. Knowing all of the death and destruction that came from that one act, 2 world wars, millions dead, Hitler, the trajectory of Europe changing forever - to look down at that bloodstained uniform and think that it all started there is incredibly chilling. I wonder if Princip knew what the true consequences of his actions would end up being, would he still pull the trigger?

Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
44133 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:24 am to
If I remember correctly,Archduke Ferdinand would have been more sympathetic to the Serbian cause unlike his father, if they would have just let things play out
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71601 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 11:36 am to
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If I remember correctly,Archduke Ferdinand would have been more sympathetic to the Serbian cause unlike his father, if they would have just let things play out


This is correct. However, the Black Hand chose to mark Ferdinand for assassination for that very reason. The Serbs within that organization had no interest in seeing an Austria-Hungary with greater representation for Slavs. What they wanted was a Greater Yugoslavia comprised of all the Slavs in the Balkans.
Posted by SparkyWilson
Member since May 2026
182 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 12:21 pm to
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Austria-Hungary


Ah yes. Austria-Hungary. A grand experiment in diversity that didn't end so well.
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
Below I-10
Member since Jul 2019
4410 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 12:29 pm to
The assault weapon that started it was triggered by the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand using a .380 ACP caliber FN Model 1910 semi-automatic pistol. Designed by John Moses Browning and manufactured by the Belgian company Fabrique Nationale, this compact striker-fired handgun was used by Gavrilo Princip on June 28, 1914, in Sarajevo.

Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
62762 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:03 pm to
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The First World War began 112 years ago yesterday


About the first time the New Iberia Haircut gained traction in the USA.


Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
2708 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:04 pm to
The Guns of August
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38231 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:10 pm to
The crazy part was that Wilhelm personally really did not want war especially with France and England. George was his first cousin and he was actually an English Earl. The way I read it he was really pushed by his General Staff and ministers.
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
14370 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:17 pm to
“Governor Potiorek, who was sharing the third vehicle with the Imperial couple, called out to the driver to stop as he was going the wrong way.[95] The driver applied the brakes, and when he attempted to put the car into reverse gear he accidentally stalled the engine close to where Princip was standing.[96] The assassin stepped up to the footboard of the car, and shot Franz Ferdinand and Sophie at point-blank range.”
—wiki
—almost like it was destined to happen
This post was edited on 7/29/26 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20588 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:32 pm to
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World War I and the Versailles Treaty started World War II


99% truth. The outlier is Japan. Would they have still attacked? While not related, but maybe - Germany and Japan had the Anti-Comintern Pact in 1936. While that was mainly against Russia, they did have an agreement. Unknown and can't even guess what would have happened if Japan had still hit Pearl. However, remember that Japan was full in the Sino-Japanese War in 1937.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
116734 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:40 pm to
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World War I and the Versailles Treaty started World War II


There was no WWII. There was merely the continuation of WWI after a 20 year pause.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71601 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:45 pm to
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The way I read it he was really pushed by his General Staff and ministers.


Well, by that time there was little choice. The Imperial Russian Army had mobilized and in those days mobilization meant war. Germany was actually one of the last countries to mobilize its army in the final days leading up to war.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71601 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:49 pm to
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The outlier is Japan. Would they have still attacked?


Japan was only involved in China because of how they were treated by the European powers during the Paris Peace Conference. They were actually allied with the Entente during World War I and did their fair share to cripple Germany's overseas possessions in the Pacific in the opening months of the conflict.

They felt like they deserved a bigger piece of the pie than what they got. The same thing is true for Italy. Hence why they both fought against us in the Second World War after fighting alongside us in the First World War.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
24232 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 1:58 pm to

WWI started because a bungling assassin got all the luck in the world.

We’re still dealing with the aftermath.
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