re: The Deadly Rise of Giant Trucks and SUV's

Are you advocating for getting rid of trucks and SUVs completely?

No, F-250s and similar vehicles have no business in urban environments. And, no, I don't "need" my 2014 F-150, but it's been a great vehicle. I don't need it to do truck things until I need it to do truck things and it's far more convenient to not have to pivot to a 3rd party to do those things. I like to think I'm conscientious about driving it. I don't park to block views or back in over sidewalks (I mean when the bed hangs 3' over the sidewalk). I don't leave my ball hitch installed. I watch for crosswalks and pedestrians/cyclists in general (even when they are doing wrong). Like all things, the bad actors are going to ruin the perception for everyone.

I hope you also advocate for better adherence to pedestrian/cycling laws as well.

There also needs to be broad crackdown on distraction while traveling regardless of method of locomotion.

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Such an ignorant, uneducated opinion

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You are so confidently wrong but we will continue.

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Let's just focus purely on simple dimensions and not the fact that today's trucks and SUV's already incorporate front profiles and energy absorbing materials and designs for the sake of safety, both for those inside as well as those impacted.

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We are talking about impacts with a pedestrian ITT. Modern trucks have hoods almost 5 feet tall in some cases. The pedestrian is run over and shoved under the truck and killed immediately.

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New trucks have front ends that are more blunt and full plastic with bumpers mounted to crumple zones that are much more effective in absorbing and distributing impact forces.

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None of this shite matters when you hit a pedestrian dude. The truck is too talk and will kill more people. Stop arguing with the data.

You are just wrong on this topic. Take a lap.

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By the 2010s, larger vehicles like compact S.U.V.s had eclipsed cars.

Today, S.U.V.s and pickup trucks dominate the roads. Many are bigger than ever.

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My son bought a used truck about a month ago. Fortunately, it was before these things got larger like they are today. His little 2001 Ford F-250 Super Duty 4wd Powerstroke Crew Cab has a dry weight of only 7,000 pounds and a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of just under 9,000. Fortunately, it's also a short bed, so it's only 20 feet long.



I'm so glad he didn't buy one of these bigger trucks they make today like you are talking about.

Yes, and it is full of misinformation.

Of course, any larger vehicle is going to cause more damage when it hits anything. That's basic common sense, backed up by physics.

There is absolutely no question that, overall, vehicles are safer now than they were 10 or 20 years ago.
Just compare traffic death statistics for the past 20 years.

As far as large trucks (pickups and SUVs) having more "blind spots", that is just false. You can see every corner of the vehicle, assuming you adjust seats and mirrors correctly

Nothing has more blind spots than a 2-door coupe

Anyone that's driven both will agree.


As a practical matter, you generally dont see as many 1/2 tons in a urban environments, usually because of space and parking constraints.
Even the smaller trucks sit up higher than a sedan and are designed similarly to a full-size truck.

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As far as large trucks (pickups and SUVs) having more "blind spots", that is just false. You can see every corner of the vehicle, assuming you adjust seats and mirrors correctly

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The article you didn't read addresses this lmao.

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To analyze how these blind zones have changed, we used a three-dimensional scanner to compare sightlines in four of the most common pickups today — the Chevrolet Silverado, Ford F-150, GMC Sierra and Toyota Tacoma — with their counterparts from the 1990s or early 2000s.

The Silverado’s blind zones have nearly doubled.

The Sierra’s and the Tacoma’s grew by about 60 percent.

The smallest increase was the F-150’s. Its blind zones grew by about 25 percent.

Our overall findings match what we found in court records and heard from dozens of experts who reconstruct crashes for police and lawyers.

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There is absolutely no question that, overall, vehicles are safer now than they were 10 or 20 years ago.
Just compare traffic death statistics for the past 20 years.

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Again, we are talking about pedestrian deaths which have INCREASED.

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For decades, American roads were steadily getting safer for pedestrians. But around 2009, the trend reversed. Since then, the number of pedestrians killed each year has risen by about 75 percent.

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Again read the article before raging all over because your truck feels got hurt.

I call into question their conclusions, and how they arrived at them, with their own scanners and "engineers ".

And as far as "reconstruction" experts, I can hire any expert to agree or disagree with whatever conclusion I desire.

Im not sure how sightlines can decrease in a vehicle that has four large windows and a windshield and usually, a unobstructed back glass. You may actually have to adjust seats, mirrors, or pedals.
I will say some SUVs do a have larger C-Pillar, which when combined with a sloping hatch area, can have a significant blind spot, so the driver should be aware of that.

In addition, most modern vehicles have backup cameras as well as BSIs, as standard equipment.


Cite some info from IIHS or other unbiased sources.

No one is taking the NYT seriously, especially as a source for vehicle information.

FWIW, I always check a vehicle's safety rating when recommending cars or trucks for friends or family.

Let me ask you a question:


When was the last time you saw someone walking down the street and they weren't staring at their phone?

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I call into question their conclusions, and how they arrived at them, with their own scanners and "engineers ".

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With whataoutism and feels lmao.

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And as far as "reconstruction" experts, I can hire any expert to agree or disagree with whatever conclusion I desire.

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This is your best refuation? Hope you don't practice defense law because your client is for sure going to prison.

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Im not sure how sightlines can decrease in a vehicle that has four large windows and a windshield and usually, a unobstructed back glass. You may actually have to adjust seats, mirrors, or pedals.
I will say some SUVs do a have larger C-Pillar, which when combined with a sloping hatch area, can have a significant blind spot, so the driver should be aware of that.

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It's almost like the new cars are frickin huge and way taller than the average adult in the US and thus are more deadly to pedestrians....which is the *checks notes* entire fricking topic of discussion in the article and thread.

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In addition, most modern vehicles have backup cameras as well as BSIs, as standard equipment.

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This means frick all if the vehicle is too big and runs over a pedestrian in a crosswalk or other road way.

Also, I linked an article that discusses an experiment was done with 18 children and a Yukon and none of the drivers could see them.

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Cite some info from IIHS or other unbiased sources.

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frick off. You have cited nothing and are just made at the conclusion. Do your own research.

Sorry you have hurt feelings...





Maybe you'll get a good tip on your shift this afternoon.