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re: The Choice (Non Political, Please)
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:34 am to ashy larry
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:34 am to ashy larry
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the OT (poliboard-lite) has gone full poli board.
It is regrettable. I remember an OT where people could just talk shite.
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:36 am to JudgeHolden
There is a balance between the two.
We are not being selective in our application, which is where we have an issue.
The areas that should face strict protocols are the ones that are at such high concentrations, such as NO, NY, and LA.
There is no reason to place strict blanket protocols on areas which aren’t significantly affected.
That would allow for softer measures while maintaining economic function.
But we can’t do that.
Since one major city is affected, ALL cities within the state have to be forced to blanket quarantine, despite other cities being largely free of infection at this time.
For some stupid reason, people believe that there are only two choices:
1) Shut everything down, or
2) Open everything back up.
And those idiots who believe we have to shut everything down are running with their views and affecting public policy because of their fears.
We are not being selective in our application, which is where we have an issue.
The areas that should face strict protocols are the ones that are at such high concentrations, such as NO, NY, and LA.
There is no reason to place strict blanket protocols on areas which aren’t significantly affected.
That would allow for softer measures while maintaining economic function.
But we can’t do that.
Since one major city is affected, ALL cities within the state have to be forced to blanket quarantine, despite other cities being largely free of infection at this time.
For some stupid reason, people believe that there are only two choices:
1) Shut everything down, or
2) Open everything back up.
And those idiots who believe we have to shut everything down are running with their views and affecting public policy because of their fears.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:45 am to Scruffy
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There is no reason to place strict blanket protocols on areas which aren’t significantly affected.
That would allow for softer measures while maintaining economic function.
But we can’t do that.
Since one major city is affected, ALL cities within the state have to be forced to blanket quarantine, despite other cities being largely free of infection at this time.
Thats spot on. Now to answer the OP, the only option now is to make sure we dont reopen too early. Opening everything back up too early would negate all the good we sacrificed our economy for the past 2 weeks. Hold out as well as we can til we see the numbers start to decline (the other side of the curve) and then start opening things backnup gradually
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:54 am to Scruffy
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Scruffy
JudgeHolden thinks Scruffy nailed it.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:55 am to Scruffy
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There is no reason to place strict blanket protocols on areas which aren’t significantly affected.
I agree.
However, we could only really do this if we had the means to TEST wide scale in a Jackson MS or Mobile AL, just for example. Now, but better 3-4 weeks ago.
Otherwise, the economic hit will be even greater when you open those places up completely and some start exploding like mini-New Orleans and then there's a new wave of shutdowns.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:55 am to Slingin Pickle
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If we keep the economy closed too long, we lose it. If we open it up too soon some old people might die but the economy will recover just fine. Seems like an easy choice
Is it though? What percentage of our population is young enough to still be working but has “underlying conditions” which are otherwise manageable? If a significant percentage of that portion of our population suddenly dies, that could have a significant effect on the economy too.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:56 am to JudgeHolden
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If we open it up too soon and everyone gets sick anyway, we lose it.
Or only the old people die and everyone left alive gets a little bit more of that trillion.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:11 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It’s a stimulus that, if the economy isn’t opened by the time people get it, won’t stimulate shite
This is where I'm not understanding the logic. Ok so most Americans are going to get some cash to give the economy a push start. But, most businesses are closed, hence the economy going in the shitter. If there aren't places to spend that cash, what good does it do to give the cash out in the first place?
I guess I could see people investing in the stock market (which is my plan since I'm still working), but if you're able to do that, odds are you didn't really need the cash infusion anyway. Right? Hell, I don't know. I'm just ready for all this shite to be over with and let's get back to life as usual.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:16 am to AUCE05
quote:This is old news but you cling to it because it makes you more comfortable. There are plenty in serious condition under 50.
People are being forced to not work to save the elderly
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:18 am to JudgeHolden
Yes, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I choose to err on the side of protecting human life, while some think saving the economy is more important. But the bigger issue is the strain on the healthcare system. What is happening in NYC can easily happen in every corner of the country.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:22 am to The Spleen
quote:Yep. Glad I don't have to make these decisions. That's also why I'm not faulting any political leader for their response to this, except the clown governor of Nevada.
Yes, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:24 am to The Spleen
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What is happening in NYC can easily happen in every corner of the country.
I just don't see how that happens everywhere else. I live in Collierville, TN and work in Memphis. We don't live on top of each other here like they do in NYC, and we don't have commuter trains/subways. It is scary what is going on up there, but I don't think you can compare NYC to every corner of America.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:27 am to The Spleen
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What is happening in NYC can easily happen in every corner of the country.
The best thing for re-opening sooner around the whole country:
Federal government going all out to literally overrun NYC with medical supplies, respirators right now
If the rest of the country sees NYC death rates like in Northern Italy with a daily barrage of doctors saying how many people they sentenced to suffocate and 3 block long lines of coughing sick people outside hospitals: it's not going convince enough people to re-open anything, anywhere.
On the other hand, if NYC gets through the worst spike with the 1% death rate instead of 9% Italian one, people will have a lot more confidence that all the areas of the USA which may be 3 weeks behind NY will be able to handle it.
I say this because of population density, international diversity and travel hub, NYC is likely our worst case scenario. Perfect example to show we really can control it.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:27 am to jchamil
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We don't live on top of each other here like they do in NYC, and we don't have commuter trains/subways.
This. Population density matters.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:28 am to JudgeHolden
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who is to blame
quote:
JudgeHolden
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:32 am to JudgeHolden
Unless we come up with a vaccine this month, the country will have to return to some form of commerce by end of April at the latest.
People who are most at danger with this will have to take stricter precautions as they live their daily lives.
People who are most at danger with this will have to take stricter precautions as they live their daily lives.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:39 am to IAmNERD
quote:I won't get a dime from the stimulus package due to the ceiling they put on it, and I'm still pouring cash into cheap (blue chip) stocks that took a plunge to the depths of hell early last week. Load up on Halliburton, and the big airline stocks. I caught Boeing in the downward spiral and I've rode it the last few days it's skyrocketed. Now's the time to put cash to work.
I guess I could see people investing in the stock market (which is my plan since I'm still working), but if you're able to do that, odds are you didn't really need the cash infusion anyway. Right? Hell, I don't know. I'm just ready for all this shite to be over with and let's get back to life as usual.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:48 am to JudgeHolden
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If we keep the economy closed too long, we lose it.
I don't know that I buy this premise.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:56 am to chryso
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I don't know that I buy this premise
Curious about your thinking on this. Doesn't a longer delay cause more damage?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:01 pm to jchamil
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I just don't see how that happens everywhere else. I live in Collierville, TN and work in Memphis. We don't live on top of each other here like they do in NYC, and we don't have commuter trains/subways. It is scary what is going on up there, but I don't think you can compare NYC to every corner of America.
Population density plays a huge part, but I was talking more on the strain on the hospitals there. Here in Bham, UAB hospital already runs at around 90% occupancy in available beds. It wouldn't take much to push that to 100% and beyond. That doesn't account for other hospitals in the area of course.
And in more rural areas with smaller hospitals, just a handful of cases can push them to the brink.
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