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re: The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure

Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:13 pm to
Even with every other country banning the 737 max and putting it on the ground, the fact that it took a literal clear and expressed order from the President of the United States of America himself to ground the 737 max and suspend all of its flights and overrule the FAA is a clear sign that the FAA is too close to Boeing and their professional relationship has gotten way too comfortable for the public to have confidence in both of them separately.

Oh and frick Boeing for letting the bean counters and cost cutters run the show for too long. That brought this 737 max shite show on their heads.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45192 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:15 pm to
Welcome to 3 months ago
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:20 pm to
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And Boring definitely fricked this one up in a rush to beat Airbus to market.


Again, Boeing let the bean counters and cost cutters run the show for way too long.

When it comes to operational safety and the quality of a plane that's supposed to haul 150+ people at 550 MPH and at 37,000 feet in the sky, there better be no fricking skimping on the costs in making the plane.

Another genius example of Boeing cost cutting: Boeing ending 757 production way too early when there was still going to be demand for it ten years down the road and has enabled Airbus to beat their heads with their new Airbus A321 XLR.

Corporate greed is a bitch.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56969 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:49 pm to
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Can't speak for Boeing workers...But I work for a company who makes flight critical components and I have visited Boeing Portland. Their security is incredibly strong.It takes about 20 minutes per person waiting to get security at one of their plants, and then security knows where you are at all times. So yeah, I'd say they're pretty strict.

This woman has no reason to lie. Also not young, around 50-55yrs old. I was just taken aback with those terms.

She is a fellow engineer at the company I work. They have worked in this country for about 20yrs none the less.

Anyone know if it would be because they aren't US citizens?
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted by Arbengal
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
3520 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:54 pm to
You are spot on. Saw this disgusting pattern with Obama and to be fair many others. Any dissension and you are vilified. Upper echelon calls all the shots and everyone falls in line. Damn dangerous. In my opinion they are keeping the Chairman on board to keep the legal wives away but he will be canned as soon as the smoke cleared. He has not done his job and should be fired period. No excuses for this ineptitude.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:57 pm to
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Again, Boeing let the bean counters and cost cutters run the show for way too long.


Can't believe I actually agree with you for once.

This is what happens when you outsource things in a critical design like a plane.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40305 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 10:16 pm to
I said pretty much the same thing in another thread.

Boeing is not to the Boeing of old.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76146 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 10:18 pm to
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I work with a Russian lady who's husband is an engineer for Boeing.
Pics of Natasha, Moose.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 10:22 pm to
Bloomberg

Posted this a while back and got blasted for it. That's what corporate thinking and worrying over stock price instead of actual product get you.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56969 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 10:55 pm to
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Pics of Natasha, Moose.

Close.

Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:09 pm to
Agreed Boeing is shitting the bed, but I’d put my family on a Max tomorrow as long as the registration starts with an N.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106042 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:15 pm to
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The MAX will be back but it will need a massive good will campaign from Boeing. I’m talking hundreds of hours of test flights. The executives also putting themselves and their families on it. That will save it.





With regular pilots not Boeing test pilots.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85506 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:27 pm to
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Have any American pilots crashed the 737 Max?



Are other planes being crashed into the ground by non-American pilots?
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10628 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:37 pm to
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Is this true or us she going overboard about some security requirements?


It's true. I'm not sure if it's necessarily "a year" in advance. But certain positions require approval for international travel.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53591 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 11:43 pm to
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I speak on my own accord.


You hang around pilots of foreign national flag carriers? Because I’m not sure how you can make that statement without that.

Just admit you heard it either on FB or around the water cooler.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41645 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 12:03 am to
I believe US pilots are much better equipped to handle flight emergencies.

We should still try to prevent the emergency from happening in the first place.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26627 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 5:47 pm to
They needed a new airframe to replace the 737. The engine placement doesn’t work well with this design.

Ultimately the Max will be a safe plane with the software update, but there has been some serious damage to the Boeing brand.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8972 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 6:17 pm to
Well even SWAPA and APA (pilot unions) have voiced their concerns.

Plenty of people denigrate foreign pilots, and in some cases it isn’t totally off base, but this is not some case of a shitty Asiana Airlines pilot flying the glide slope right into the ground at SFO under visual conditions.

This was a much more complex issue occurring during a critical phase of flight that had not been trained or even mentioned by Boeing.

This could have easily happened to an American
airline. Our pilots are nothing but systems administrators (operators) today. Long gone are the days of dead reckoning and flying and navigating using VORTAC (or for former military aviators a TACAN).
This post was edited on 7/21/19 at 6:18 pm
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21401 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 6:22 pm to
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Why is everything a crisis now days?

Cause people are dying 150 at a time
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126857 posts
Posted on 7/21/19 at 7:14 pm to
They also fricked up the KC-46
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