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The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:43 pm
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Boeing better get its shite together before the order cancellations start adding up.
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We’ve seen this before: A Boeing airliner crashes, killing all aboard. Investigators believe a design flaw in the aircraft played a major role in the accident, but Boeing blames the pilots. Eventually, the design flaw is corrected, but not before another plane crashes, leaving more deaths in its wake.
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Boeing’s first public statements after the Indonesia crash in October, supported by the F.A.A., questioned the abilities of the pilots, even though subsequent reporting has shown that pilots were not given the information they needed to properly react to the aircraft’s unexpected descents. Only after the crash of the second Max 8 in Ethiopia, in March, did Boeing acknowledge that software in the planes’ cockpits played a major role in the accidents.
Boeing better get its shite together before the order cancellations start adding up.
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The Max 8’s demise is overblown.
South Asian and Africa pilots can’t fly a cessna.
South Asian and Africa pilots can’t fly a cessna.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Somebody said in a previous post they need to scrap the plane. Said that instead of lifting the plane up higher with taller landing gear Boeing just fit new engines farther forward which causes a tendency to instability in some conditions. I don't know if this is the case but it sounded good.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:50 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Have any American pilots crashed the 737 Max?
Just checking.
Just checking.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:52 pm to TigerDeBaiter
quote:No. But perception is reality. And Boring definitely fricked this one up in a rush to beat Airbus to market.
Have any American pilots crashed the 737 Max?
Just checking.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 7:55 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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Have any American pilots crashed the 737 Max?
This line of thinking is wrong on multiple levels. Mainly because
1. From what I understand, Ethiopian pilots are internationally pretty well respected.
2. Maybe American pilots received different training.
3. I’m pretty sure American pilots have also complained
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:01 pm to The Boat
That was the line Boeing was floating for a while through backchannel PR methods. Good job on lapping that up. 
There's a lot more factors that have come to light...
There's a lot more factors that have come to light...
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:04 pm to VetteGuy
quote:Boeing was using that as an excuse for why they didn’t include the MCAS system in the new training manuals. In a roundabout way they said “our international customer’s pilots are too dumb to understand it anyway. They need to zip it and push buttons like good little monkeys.”
That was the line Boeing was floating for a while through backchannel PR methods.
In a sense it’s true, international pilots do suck. But Boeing didn’t even give them chance to learn the new system.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:05 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The MAX will be back but it will need a massive good will campaign from Boeing. I’m talking hundreds of hours of test flights. The executives also putting themselves and their families on it. That will save it.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:07 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Boeing just fit new engines farther forward which causes a tendency to instability in some conditions
Yes. The larger new engines were put further forward which made the physics much different than previous 737’s. The aircraft now had a tendency to pitch up with power. MCAS was designed to combat unintended pitch up and stalling.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
most pilots in other countries operate with little more then "basic" training time in the seat and it has been well documented they rarely get any emergency simulation training at all and those that do get little more then 5-7 sessions of it in flight simulators.
bottom line is US pilots get 10x the training other countries do and most countries dont even do emergency simulation training and instead leave it up to pilots to read the manuals to be ready for handling an emergency
bottom line is US pilots get 10x the training other countries do and most countries dont even do emergency simulation training and instead leave it up to pilots to read the manuals to be ready for handling an emergency
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I work with a Russian lady who's husband is an engineer for Boeing. They can't leave the country for any period of time without getting their travel plans approved 1yr in advance due to husband's security clearances.
Is this true or us she going overboard about some security requirements?
Edt: Sorry for hijack.
Is this true or us she going overboard about some security requirements?
Edt: Sorry for hijack.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:23 pm to LSU Coyote
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This post was edited on 8/17/19 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:29 pm to The Boat
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The Max 8’s demise is overblown.
South Asian and Africa pilots can’t fly a cessna.
Skill level is just why it happened where it did. I
Why Is it overblown if you sell an automated feature that incorrectly adjusts causing a crash?
That’s like arguing that a car accident in a self driving car is primarily the drivers negligence.
An on the spot driver could step in and prevent it...:but that defeats the point.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:29 pm to TigerDeBaiter
There have been planes that crashed trying to land, planes that crashed because of the weather, planes that crashed due to metal fatigue after years of pressurization... how effing stupid do you have to be to make a plane that can't even take off reliably in good weather? Say what you want about Ethiopian pilots, but only a big American business run by flatulent defense contractor types could ever be that stupid.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:35 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:36 pm to keakar
That’s nice and all, but Boeing is looking to cater to a global market so all that is moot.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 8:40 pm to The Boat
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The Max 8’s demise is overblown.
South Asian and Africa pilots can’t fly a cessna.
This is exactly the perception that Boeing is hoping for.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:03 pm to VetteGuy
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That was the line Boeing was floating for a while through backchannel PR methods. Good job on lapping that up.
I haven’t heard Boeing say that once. I speak on my own accord.
3rd world pilots are shitty. Breaking news.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 9:04 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The Boeing 737 Max Crisis
Why is everything a crisis now days?
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