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re: The best explanation of what’s going on at Boeing

Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:24 pm to
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Boeing is now fully run by accounting and finance guys instead of aviation people.
”have you tried cutting expenses and increasing revenue?”

Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
750 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:27 pm to
Yeah South Carolina doesn’t have the issues that Seattle does. That reeks of finding an additional scapegoat when the rest of their post covers it nicely.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
23 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:29 pm to
Yup, they hired a bunch of Business people to run the company.
Airbus's CEO is an engineer.
AIRBUS CEO
"Guillaume began his career in 1992 as a flight-test engineer for the Eurocopter Tiger helicopter"
Compare this to the Boeing CEO
"Calhoun has a bachelor’s degree in accounting from Virginia Tech."

Boeing is known for trying to promote any women in the company no matter how badly they did in previous roles.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:31 pm to
As an MBA and JD I resent that remark but agree with it too. We were taught differently when I was in school. Gordon Gecko was seen as a villain not a hero. So was KKR

Boeing was a great company, MD was always profits over people. It’s unreal that the MD management took over. It’s like ford merging with fiat and the fiat management takes over.

There is a great documentary on Netflix on all this


Posted by PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
Member since Dec 2023
664 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 7:36 pm to
DEI and engineering related industries do not mix and endanger lives. DEI and any industry do not mix.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36560 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:15 pm to
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There’s no part of me that believes that union workers are more skilled, motivated, or produce a higher quality product.


You should ask Southern Power why they hire IBEW contractors over others then.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18770 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:17 pm to
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Boeing was a great company, MD was always profits over people. It’s unreal that the MD management took over. It’s like ford merging with fiat and the fiat management takes over. There is a great documentary on Netflix on all this


John Oliver recently did a long segment on this. Available on YouTube.

Includes many Boeing employees being recorded saying they would never fly on the plane they were building. One guy said he would, but he had a death wish.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35341 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:25 pm to
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Half of that reads like a guy from Seattle who doesn’t like Boeing moving to other places.

“Trained Seattle workforce” lol. Like only the hippies in Seattle can build planes and they never hired anyone from anywhere else.


Well the 787 is a massive pile of shite and a gigantic part of that program was moving a ton of the build out of Seattle.

Boeing built great planes in Seattle. Now they build dogshit across the country/world.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
6445 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:35 pm to
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The next major US air disaster will be directly tied to DEI.


What about the pedestrian foot bridge that collapsed and killed several in Florida? I’m pretty sure it was before DEI, but I’m also pretty sure the project was led by all women.
Posted by LarryCLE
Member since Apr 2017
1547 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:39 pm to
I see a lot of Boeing’s problems being blamed on the merger with McDonnell Douglas and the management takeover by MBA’s, but their planes are just as safe today as they have ever been. The 737 rudder design issue in the 90s happened before McDonnell Douglas.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5712 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:40 pm to
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It then got new management, which emphasized financial chicanery over top flight engineering, symbolized in its move of its corporate HQ from Seattle to Chicago.


And now it’s moving headquarters to Arlington, VA to be closer to govt.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61270 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:49 pm to
It's a product of "money only" Americans. The same ones dumping millions of illegals into the country for cheaper labor. They don't care about culture, values, or broader society. What's in my bottom line?


It's not enough to be a millionaire, they have to be multi-millionaires and then billionaires.


There's got to be a better way to get rich in America that doesn't include exploiting it along the way and ruining it.
Posted by maisweh
Member since Jan 2014
4066 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 8:50 pm to
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737 Max


I haven't kept up with this and flying out tomorrow... max 7, 8 or 9?
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1309 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:09 pm to
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This is basically it. It’s not an elaborate conspiracy. It’s a tale of greed and dysfunction that you can see all over America.
every company, govt entity, firm seems like they just want all the cash they can get from every customer, client, fee payer. They want it now and don’t care about quality service accountability! GIVE ALL NOW!!! F all!!!
Posted by TJack
BR
Member since Dec 2018
1309 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:09 pm to
Double post.
This post was edited on 3/15/24 at 9:12 pm
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
11299 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:12 pm to
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Elon needs to buy Boeing. Or just start his own airplane engineering and manufacturing company

We don’t need electric planes.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33006 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:14 pm to
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I heard the same story as told in the OP. Boeing is now fully run by accounting and finance guys instead of aviation people.


That’s pretty much the entire documentary.
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Member since Jan 2023
929 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:20 pm to
It’s Nikki Haley’s fault!
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66569 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 9:26 pm to
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Trained Seattle workforce” lol. Like only the hippies in Seattle can build planes and they never hired anyone from anywhere else


idk how many people did they move from seattle to their new plants?

experienced workforce matters in every field.
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