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re: TFL Youtube channel tests Ford Lightning EV truck's towing range vs gas powered truck
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:09 am to madmaxvol
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:09 am to madmaxvol
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but I don't believe Ford is on the cutting edge of battery research and development.
They just use the technology from companies that are on the cutting edge, like pretty much everyone else making EV's. I know this is repeated often and some of you don't grasp it, but without a major development in materials science then EV battery performance will not make significant improvement in the next few decades. Energy density has made very little improvement in lithium-ion batteries in the last two decades. Other chemistries that promise great improvements are either not feasible for mass production or have characteristics that make them unsuitable for EV use.
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:18 am to Kingpenm3
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I always thought swappable batteries would be the future, but it doesn't seem to be going that way.
There's a pretty big Chinese EV company, Nio, that's doing swappable battery stations and is beginning to roll them out beyond China.
The problem I see would be building all those battery swap stations and then having them become obsolete when a breakthrough in extending battery range happens. I think that's why all the other EV companies aren't trying it.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 2:56 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:40 pm to TigerIron
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automakers announce that they're going electric-only by 2030 is retarded.
Mary Barra is retarded. Do these companies not have BOD anymore?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 4:20 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Mary Barra is retarded. Do these companies not have BOD anymore?
Yes, she is.
Last I saw Cadillac is supposed to be 100% EV for 2025.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 4:28 pm to bbarras85
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I guess the batteries are so large this would not be feasible.
The video I've seen on E trucks show the batteries are too large and too integrated into the frame to change easily. If one wanted a battery swap are they going to have to put down a grand as a deposit? The battery packs are worth ten grand.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 5:46 pm to BearsFan
quote:I have a 99 Silverado, I think that generation is from 99-06 or thereabouts (it's the first year of that gen).
Does anybody think there will be a big market for say 90s era pickups (especially heavy duty) moving forward?
Just had a transmission rebuild done at 298k on the odometer. Had some work done, replaced the water pump myself, etc.
I've had some surprising (to me) offers for that truck. I don't think I'd even consider selling it now.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 5:54 pm to Scoob
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I have a 99 Silverado, I think that generation is from 99-06 or thereabouts (it's the first year of that gen).
Just had a transmission rebuild done at 298k on the odometer. Had some work done, replaced the water pump myself, etc.
I've had some surprising (to me) offers for that truck. I don't think I'd even consider selling it now.
Plenty on the road up here but they are rusting out bad. Rockers and boxes for the most part.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 5:58 pm to jnethe1
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Oh those people, we call those people the compensators.
What a dumbass.
Imagine being a grown adult and judging people for their choice of vehicle. Lol
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:06 pm to Tarps99
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Just wait until, they try to start converting tractor trailers for EV use.
I wonder if they will sacrifice trailer space for batteries. Also, you could use trailers as hot swappable batteries and do runs between depots to drop a trailer off so it can charge, and the driver picks up a fully charged trailer and a new load.
If it is a cross country single truck freight good luck trying to find batteries to last 11 straight hours for driving a tractor trailer and charge it in 10 hours during your non driving time.
I think we will see hybrid semi trucks way before we see EV’s in that space. Hybrids actually make a ton of sense in that market - think diesel-electric locomotives. You get the torque benefits of electric motors along with better fuel economy, but without the range issues of fully electric trucks.
The hard part for any manufacturer trying to break the long haul trucking mold will be demonstrating reliability and serviceability.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:24 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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The gas powered truck got 9 mpg and a range of 220 miles on a full 24 gallon tank. The Lightning only got 95 miles of range, which is a little surprising to me considering the optimal conditions. The driver was getting serious range anxiety before he made it to the charging station. It took 45 min charging to get back to 75% charge.
lmao
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:49 pm to bbarras85
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Like those propane exchange racks. Drop off your dead batteries and pick up some hot ones. I guess the batteries are so large this would not be feasible.
They could take a page from that business where those “25 lb” tanks are really only 15 lb tanks.
They could just have those charged batteries only 75% charged.
But here is an idea, liquid batteries. You get to a filling station. You empty the spent battery, fluid and then you refill it with charged battery fluid.
Any patent pirates out there, I have to file my patent soon.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:05 pm to lostinbr
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The hard part for any manufacturer trying to break the long haul trucking mold will be demonstrating reliability and serviceability.
This is an area EVs have a significant advantage when compared to modern Tier IV engines.
Also, the trucking industry is a good segment to target because per DOT, trucks are limited by HOS which basically makes is a known on/off cycle.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:24 pm to TackySweater
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Imagine being a grown adult and judging people for their choice of vehicle. Lol
I found a compensator.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:29 pm to Cosmo
shite he can’t even pull it from bass pro after his purchase
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:29 am to Clames
quote:This is my impression as well. There’s a narrative that’s it’s new, exciting technology and I just don’t see it. Range and charging times on EVs has been fairly stagnant the last few years. .
They just use the technology from companies that are on the cutting edge, like pretty much everyone else making EV's. I know this is repeated often and some of you don't grasp it, but without a major development in materials science then EV battery performance will not make significant improvement in the next few decades. Energy density has made very little improvement in lithium-ion batteries in the last two decades. Other chemistries that promise great improvements are either not feasible for mass production or have characteristics that make them unsuitable for EV use.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:37 am to beaverfever
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Range and charging times on EVs has been fairly stagnant the last few years.
The fact that Elon can’t get it figured out over the past 7-8 years tells me all I need to know.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:37 am to Scoob
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I've had some surprising (to me) offers for that truck. I don't think I'd even consider selling it now.
My fiancée has a 2004 RCSB 5.3L Silverado, always gets offers on that truck as it basically mint and she drives it like she has an egg under her foot.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 1:20 am to Clames
quote:Li-ion energy density has made very significant improvements over the last two decades. By weight, by volume, and by price.
without a major development in materials science then EV battery performance will not make significant improvement in the next few decades. Energy density has made very little improvement in lithium-ion batteries in the last two decades.
How close do you think today's batteries are to the theoretical limits, and how close do you think it's possible to get to those limits? How does that compare to recent and future ICE efficiency improvements?
Do you think the long-term trend in li-ion energy density per dollar will continue, stop, or reverse? Why do you think what you do? How does that compare to the long-term energy density per dollar for gasoline?
It all comes down to charge times, which is an issue ~1% of the time that someone gets in a vehicle. And the majority of those instances can by avoided by simply not buying an EV if you drive a long way often.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:18 am to TackySweater
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Imagine being a grown adult and judging people for their choice of vehicle. Lol
what in the actual hell?
every person that I knew that bought a new vehicle factored in their status for that car choice
* environmentalists and their Prius
* soccer moms and their SUVs
* preppies and their convertibles
* country boys and their pickups
* black folk and their Chargers
* hipsters and their Teslas
so if people judge a vehicle for its status prior to purchase, you know damn well the neighbors are doing the same
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 2:42 am
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