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re: Texas to approve $1.6 billion for teacher raises
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:19 pm to Jax Teller
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:19 pm to Jax Teller
quote:Would you rather the geniuses of the world to use their talents to innovate improvements for society.... or help Junior learn his ABC's?
Agreed, but that in and of itself is why I have never understood the social concept. I
It's always seemed quite obvious to me why the best and brightest pursue other careers and receive more compensation in those other pursuits.
It's better to utilize the best of our society now... instead of always trying to pay it forward.
Now, if anyone is insulted by my viewpoint, I'd like to clarify.
I'm not downplaying the role of teaching in society, but the competency level to be successful in the profession doesn't require the very best talent.
There are thresholds throughout the education progression that can be filled with suitable candidates.
For example, teaching kids in the 3rd grade doesn't require an advanced understanding of Calculus, Quantum Physics, Finance, etc.
A high school English teacher doesn't need to be Dostoevsky or Hemingway.
That doesn't mean that the smartest, most talented person in the world can't be (or can't find fulfillment) as a Kindergarten teacher.
However, it's easy to understand that the replacement value (or relative salary) for the position is less than that of other roles in society.
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:19 pm to JJ27
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Bull. shite. They work 180 days with kids. It’s not 8-5 because it’s 7:15 to 3.
Maybe the ones that teach K-3. Just because the school hours are 715 to 3pm doesn't mean there day stops there. They still have to grade homework, tests, do lesson plans... They don't work 2,080 jobs that a standard 40 hour worker does, but they definitely work more than the 1,440 hours you are alleging.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:04 pm to Mahootney
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Would you rather the geniuses of the world to use their talents to innovate improvements for society.... or help Junior learn his ABC's?
No. Genius minds are an anomaly. They should pursue the path that they more intellectually destined to do. The other 99% of the population if available to help mold minds in a constructive manner makes the most sense to me. I know we are human and humans are incentive based, I just feel like if that was a viable option we'd be better off long term. Same with law enforcement. Instead we get stuck with the lowest of the low in terms of mass percentage potential. Not taking shots at teachers or LEO. Just saying you get what you pay for. Lots are fantastic and smart people. Same with government/state workers. I just find it backwards. Fun to discuss though
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:06 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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I would argue that if you start paying a respectable salary with actual opportunities for pay raises; you would see more qualified applicants.
Then you would have a flood of applicants and not many graduates will have a job.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:08 pm to TDcline
And work a horrid 20 years with full retirement. Poor things. I see all the teachers husbands in here. Cry me a river
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This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:11 pm to ThruThickandThin
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And work a horrid 20 years with full retirement
actually I think it's 30
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:13 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Then you would have a flood of applicants and not many graduates will have a job.
There are a billion attorneys out there. We can't view it that way. Just because you get a degree doesn't mean you are immediately deserving of a job. Eventually the pendulum would swing and only those truly dedicated (and driven by potential incentive) would regulate the market. That's the whole point right?
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:22 pm to JJ27
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Been around enough to know 95% of them are bouncing when that bell rings. Sell your lies elsewhere.
Texas teachers have a defined contract time which requires them to be on campus 9 hours/day and it is strictly enforced at most schools. In addition, most teachers are required to be on campus after contract time for various duties such as parent/teacher conferences and staff meetings. And then there is the nightly 2 hours or so of grading papers.
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Hell they get a month off just from Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Spring Break. Are you saying they get 2 weeks off for Summer?
Just because kids are off doesn't mean teachers are too. Typically teachers are working for a week after kids are gone for the summer and 2 weeks before kids come back. And Texas teachers are required training seminars totaling about 40 hours which most take during the summer. Teachers are not paid for any of this additional work.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:23 pm to East Coast Band
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Can we get them to work more than 8 months a year now?
What would be the point of that other than satisfying your dumb request?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:24 pm to TDcline
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Salaries for public school teachers in Texas are about $7,000 below the national average, according to National Education Association data,
That's a really embarrassing stat given the size of the state economy.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:24 pm to Jax Teller
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There are a billion attorneys out there
It's harder to get a degree in law than it is to get on in teaching. There is no degree requirement for police and firemen.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:26 pm to Rhino5
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That's a really embarrassing stat given the size of the state economy.
Isn't that more a function of the local entities?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:27 pm to BayouBlitz
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Well lower pay definitely doesn't.
I don't think it matters at all
In fact private schools usually pay less than public and produce better students.
Teacher pay and classroom size are usually overstated as problems related to education
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:29 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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It's harder to get a degree in law than it is to get on in teaching. There is no degree requirement for police and firemen.
Granted. But you can't tell me we're better off because of that fact.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:31 pm to Mahootney
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However, it's easy to understand that the replacement value (or relative salary) for the position is less than that of other roles in society.
This is what so many fail to grasp, compensation is not based on worth but rather on what it cost to replace the employee, this is especially true of a profession where employees are a dime a dozen commodity.
Throwing money at teachers will be no more effective than sacrificing a goat in the hopes of improving education standards, they are neither the problem nor the solution.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:39 pm to cave canem
It's almost like people are implying that teachers are incapable now. Education improvements will not come from funding increases. Just like healthcare outcomes don't improve when you increase Medicare subsidies. Might as well light that billion on fire if the goal is for improved outcomes. If it's for a market adjustment than that's another discussion.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:42 pm to Wtodd
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All the teenage boys rejoiced; pussy coming back to work
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:44 pm to Jax Teller
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Professions like teachers, policemen, firefighters, etc. are the lowest paid people. Those that teach and those that protect. I've always found that concept odd in the grand scheme of a society.
Learn to build a bridge, that's where the money is at.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In fact private schools usually pay less than public and produce better students.
This has more to do with parent involvement and socioeconomic advantage than the quality of the teachers.
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Teacher pay and classroom size are usually overstated as problems related to education
Classroom size makes a definite difference.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:48 pm to Geauxld Finger
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Please you get to deal with a large contingent of shitty kids every single day
Yes, but they chose the job.
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